Hello,
A belated follow-up to this discussion.
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 02:43:57PM -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> On 2018-05-14 12:38, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > this is a cost largely paid by Canonical (both in terms of
> > infrastructure, and in terms of engineering work to keep the base syste
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
>> On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward
>>> wrote:
However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including
On 2018-05-14 12:38, Steve Langasek wrote:
> this is a cost largely paid by Canonical (both in terms of
> infrastructure, and in terms of engineering work to keep the base system
> working). It's not very compelling to say that Canonical should continue
> bearing these costs out of pocket
There's
Hi Tobin,
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 09:40:06AM -0700, Tobin Davis wrote:
> I've been following this thread for a while, and have some questions. Are
> we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the
> repo? If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu,
> cor
hi,
Am Montag, den 14.05.2018, 17:49 +0200 schrieb Nafallo Bjälevik:
>
>
> There's still a lot of new boards coming out which are still armhf
> hardware, with manufacturers pledging to keep shipping boards at
> least
> until 2020. Hardkernel's Samsung-based boards would be a perfect
> example.
I am not sure of the status of the following issue as I no longer have
access to hardware to test the issue against current ubuntu.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1647184
however supporting mixed-mode systems, 64-bit system with 32-bit UEFI, like
Debian Jessie 8.0's multi-a
Hi,
On 10/05/18 23:13, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
And maybe dropping armhf completely should be a third thread since
that hopefully will be easier than i386.
I won't speak for or against i386, since I don't use it, but for armhf.
There's still a lot of new boards coming out which are still armhf
>> Provided that i386 and armhf won't be supported in 20.04 LTS (which
>> seems to be the case), I fully agree that such support should be
>> removed *before* 18.10. Those needing such support should be
>> encouraged to remain on the current LTS, and not lured to 18.10 with a
>> false hope of cont
The other question is does anyone test ubuntu on non SSE2 hardware anymore?
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Henri Sivonen
wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> > On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward
> wrote:
> Von: dimitri.led...@surgut.co.uk [mailto:dimitri.led...@surgut.co.uk] Im
>
> On 11 May 2018 at 16:32, Fiedler Roman wrote:
> >
> > > Von: ubuntu-devel [mailto:ubuntu-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Im
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available fo
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
>>> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including
>>> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go aw
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:56:38PM -0400, Gizmo Chicken wrote:
> > I believe deleting i386 and armhf before 18.10 is the politest thing to do
> Provided that i386 and armhf won't be supported in 20.04 LTS (which
> seems to be the case), I fully agree that such support should be
> removed *before*
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 02:33:08PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
> > IIRC Steam is also relevant, and I guess that would involve talking to
> > Valve?
>
> I think our users would be better served by Steam becoming a Snap. I
> have more explanati
On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
>> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including
>> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away
>> entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
> IIRC Steam is also relevant, and I guess that would involve talking to
> Valve?
I think our users would be better served by Steam becoming a Snap. I
have more explanation at https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759715
I suppose that could be done for
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 04:25:25PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including
> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away
> entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how certain apps
> work (read; Wine, 32-bit
On May 13, 2018 7:58:05 AM PDT, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Tobin Davis
>wrote:
> Are
>> we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the
>repo?
>> If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu, core,
>etc)
>> can still build rele
> I believe deleting i386 and armhf before 18.10 is the politest thing to do
Provided that i386 and armhf won't be supported in 20.04 LTS (which
seems to be the case), I fully agree that such support should be
removed *before* 18.10. Those needing such support should be
encouraged to remain on th
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including
> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away
> entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how certain apps
> work (read; Wine, 32-bit suppor
I've been following this thread for a while, and have some questions. Are
we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the
repo? If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu,
core, etc) can still build release images. But if Ubuntu is dropping i386
packages
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Tobin Davis wrote:
> I've been following this thread for a while, and have some questions. Are
> we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the repo?
> If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu, core, etc)
> can still b
On 5/12/18 5:31 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> HDDs consume more energy than SSDs; [...]
Unless it's NVMe.
> similarly newer (faster clock/dynamicly clocked, and operating at a lower
> voltage / amps) RAM
> consume less energy.
Didn't RAM power consumption go up with frequency and especially a
On 11 May 2018 at 16:32, Fiedler Roman wrote:
>
> > Von: ubuntu-devel [mailto:ubuntu-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Im
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for
> > consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers.
> > The las
Hi Nrbtx et al,
On 9 May 2018 at 21:59, Nrbrtx wrote:
> Dear Bryan and all!
>
> Please do not forget about some special hardware configurations such as
> Thin Clients.
> For example we use about 50 machines as Fat LTSP clients with Intel
> Celeron and Intel Atom. Their RAM is limited to 2Gb by h
I definitely should have included more links to previous discussions -
including this survey I did 4 years ago - https://bryanquigley.com/posts
/crazy-ideas/32-bit-usage-survey-results.html.
Is it ethical to continue to support a platform that we may not be able to
provide meaningful security supp
Nice catch! I just looked for error stack traces that matched between the
i386 version and amd64 and then compared them. I only removed duplicates
that we're in the flavors I was comparing - my mistake.
Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10 - thunar also included in Ubuntu studio
The general process wa
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:05:09PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> I do believe that the real question before us is that of dropping the
> architectures from the archive.
>
> However, please note that as of 18.04, i386 and armhf are still supported
> architectures by Canonical for Ubuntu Core. Whi
> Von: ubuntu-devel [mailto:ubuntu-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Im
>
> Hello,
>
> Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for
> consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers.
> The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and
>
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > So with the scope of this email chain, I would like to request a
> > clarification before we go forward much more with this email chain: Are
> > we discussing dropping 32-bit for
On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 04:07:23PM -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for consumers
> to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. The last of
> these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support fr
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
> So with the scope of this email chain, I would like to request a
> clarification before we go forward much more with this email chain: Are
> we discussing dropping 32-bit for *installer images* this cycle, or are
> we talking about the complete
All:
I hate to interject this late in the thread, but I think we need to
clarify what the discussion actually entails.
On the #ubuntu-release IRC channel, it became clear that the purpose of
this thread was not entirely clear, so we need to clarify specifically:
Are we discussing dropping suppor
Dear Bryan and all!
Please do not forget about some special hardware configurations such as
Thin Clients.
For example we use about 50 machines as Fat LTSP clients with Intel Celeron
and Intel Atom. Their RAM is limited to 2Gb by hardware. They use Ubuntu
16.04 LTS with MATE desktop environment.
E
On 2018-05-09 13:07, Bryan Quigley wrote:
> Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running
> amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability
> where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386
> hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is).
This r
Hello,
Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for consumers
to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. The last of
these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support from
an increasing
number of upstream projects has ended.
Ubuntu and flavo
Hello,
On 05/09/2018 04:29 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>> here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04:
>> Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87
>
> And there is my concern. That says the vast majority of Lubuntu's users
> are using i386. The question becomes whether or not they have to. There
> has been doc
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