Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-30 Thread Robie Basak
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 01:17:52PM -0700, Brian Murray wrote: > On IRC we talked about using the "Contact this user" feature of > Launchpad. Did you end up getting many more votes after doing that? Thank you for the suggestion! Yes, although unfortunately I don't know if the votes were prompted b

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-30 Thread Brian Murray
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 03:22:25PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > Do you have evidence that has actually happened to anyone in this > > case? I was able to vote quite easily, and it seems (from your ML > > comments) that both Christian

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:22 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > Do you have evidence that has actually happened to anyone in this > > case? I was able to vote quite easily, and it seems (from your ML > > comments) that both Christian and y

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Robie Basak
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > Do you have evidence that has actually happened to anyone in this > case? I was able to vote quite easily, and it seems (from your ML > comments) that both Christian and yourself were as well, and Christian > provided explicit steps e

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Hi, On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:15 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:45 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 09:19:31AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > > For example, in this situation; carrying out an election really > > > shouldn't be an exceptional event. >

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:45 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 09:19:31AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > For example, in this situation; carrying out an election really > > shouldn't be an exceptional event. > > Normally it isn't. Previous elections have run smoothly and with no >

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Robie Basak
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 09:19:31AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > For example, in this situation; carrying out an election really > shouldn't be an exceptional event. Normally it isn't. Previous elections have run smoothly and with no issues that I'm aware of. However we now have an interaction be

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 8:57 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 06:14:27AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > Where are the rules/policies written down about how elections should > > be handled? > > The first time I ran an election I couldn't find much documentation at > all, so I trie

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Robie Basak
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 06:14:27AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > Where are the rules/policies written down about how elections should > be handled? The first time I ran an election I couldn't find much documentation at all, so I tried to follow what I could see of what had been done before, fixed

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 6:14 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 6:02 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:51:52PM +0100, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > > > If you happen to activate the "wrong" email you'll just see: > > > > > > ``` > > > Email address successf

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 6:02 AM Robie Basak wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:51:52PM +0100, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > > If you happen to activate the "wrong" email you'll just see: > > > > ``` > > Email address successfully activated. > > ``` > > > > But if you activate the right one (jus

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-29 Thread Robie Basak
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:51:52PM +0100, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > If you happen to activate the "wrong" email you'll just see: > > ``` > Email address successfully activated. > ``` > > But if you activate the right one (just as Robie said, usually the > @ubuntu.com one) you'd in the Web UI

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2022-03-23 Thread Christian Ehrhardt
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:06 PM Robie Basak wrote: > > The Developer Membership Board (DMB) has started a restaffing vote for > three vacant seats. The DMB is responsible for reviewing and approving > new Ubuntu developers. It evaluates prospective Ubuntu developers and > decides when to entrust

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, February 01, 2013 11:27:07 AM Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > ... >> I like Daniel's idea of having an informal exchange (maybe over a ping >> or a pm on irc) of how the DMB thinks so that we can really get an >> info of how the DMB t

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 01, 2013 11:27:07 AM Bhavani Shankar R wrote: ... > I like Daniel's idea of having an informal exchange (maybe over a ping > or a pm on irc) of how the DMB thinks so that we can really get an > info of how the DMB thinks on various cases so that we can provide a > broad overview

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Scott, Bhavani, > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:36:38AM +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: >> What I believe is a perspective developer gets ready for applying at a >> particular level when a minimum of one developer of ranks of core dev

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 04:12:25 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Scott, Bhavani, > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 03:02:44AM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Regardless of if it's the DMB or other delegated body, the decision about > > upload rights is on behalf of the Ubuntu project and it needs

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Scott, Bhavani, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 03:02:44AM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Regardless of if it's the DMB or other delegated body, the decision about > upload rights is on behalf of the Ubuntu project and it needs to be taken > with the project's needs in mind. I don't think there is a

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 05:08:22 PM Jani Monoses wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:06:31 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, January 31, 2013 09:23:39 AM Jani Monoses wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:22:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > Th

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jan 31, 2013, at 05:08 PM, Jani Monoses wrote: >There is too much coupling between Ubuntu membership and upload rights. This comes up often, and there have been discussions about separating the two aspects but nothing's come of it. I do think it would be useful to separate these concerns, esp

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Jani Monoses
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:06:31 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, January 31, 2013 09:23:39 AM Jani Monoses wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:22:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >> > Hello, >> >> [snip] >> >> > That's certainly true, but I think this is something that the DMB has >> > a du

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Stéphane Graber
On 01/30/2013 07:22 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36:19AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: >> The Developer Membership Board has started a vote to restaff for the >> four members whose terms are expiring. The Developer Membership Board is >> responsible for reviewing

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 03:30:42 PM Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello, > > On 31.01.2013 15:08, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > While the advisory team can, > > and should, encourage and support applicants, I think we should be careful > > to avoid making them an intermediary. > > I wasn't trying to

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello, On 31.01.2013 15:08, Scott Kitterman wrote: > While the advisory team can, > and should, encourage and support applicants, I think we should be careful to > avoid making them an intermediary. I wasn't trying to say that this should be a mandatory step. If you go back to my original mail

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 03:03:52 PM Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello, > > On 31.01.2013 14:51, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I don't think having an intermediary between the DMB and the applicant is > > a > > good idea. I think approximately that last thing we need is more > > meetings. > > I di

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 09:23:39 AM Jani Monoses wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:22:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Hello, > > [snip] > > > That's certainly true, but I think this is something that the DMB has a > > duty to correct. Frankly, I think there's no reason that Adam and Björ

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello, On 31.01.2013 14:51, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I don't think having an intermediary between the DMB and the applicant is a > good idea. I think approximately that last thing we need is more meetings. I didn't say that this needs to happen in a meeting format. In your earlier mail you sai

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:43:41 AM Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello, > > On 31.01.2013 11:08, Iain Lane wrote: > > As others have said, it's probably not going to be possible to reduce > > the process to going through a checklist. What we can do is to be > > responsive /and proactive/ when app

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello, On 31.01.2013 11:08, Iain Lane wrote: > As others have said, it's probably not going to be possible to reduce > the process to going through a checklist. What we can do is to be > responsive /and proactive/ when applications first come in (or even > before then, if applicants contact the DM

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Iain Lane
Hello Jani, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 09:23:39AM +, Jani Monoses wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:22:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Hello, > [snip] > > That's certainly true, but I think this is something that the DMB has a > > duty to correct. Frankly, I think there's no reason that Ada

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Iain Lane
Hi Steve, On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:22:58PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, > […] > So my question to each of the candidates is this. As a member of the DMB, > what would you do to remove this uncertainty around when people are ready to > apply, reducing the number of rejections (whether t

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-31 Thread Jani Monoses
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:22:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, [snip] > That's certainly true, but I think this is something that the DMB has a > duty to correct. Frankly, I think there's no reason that Adam and Björn > couldn't have been ready for upload rights by January, *if* the DMB's I

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-30 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36:19AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: >> The Developer Membership Board has started a vote to restaff for the >> four members whose terms are expiring. The Developer Membership Board is >> responsible for

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 04:22:58 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36:19AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: > > The Developer Membership Board has started a vote to restaff for the > > four members whose terms are expiring. The Developer Membership Board is > > res

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-30 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 31/01/13 00:22, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36:19AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: >> The Developer Membership Board has started a vote to restaff for the >> four members whose terms are expiring. The Developer Membership Board is >> responsible for reviewing and

Re: Call for votes: Developer Membership Board restaffing

2013-01-30 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36:19AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: > The Developer Membership Board has started a vote to restaff for the > four members whose terms are expiring. The Developer Membership Board is > responsible for reviewing and approving new Ubuntu developers. It > evaluates pr