Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Dimitri John Ledkov, Simple question from someone who is not high on the Linux knowledge ladder. Linux developers/distributions have made a big deal in the last two years of how Linux could be the saviour of users of old machines running Microsoft XP. If Ubuntu and others stop releasing i386

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi, It's a bit sudden for us. I did not find any prior announcement or discussion (before 16.04 release) that Canonical would drop i386 images right after 16.04 LTS. We, at Medo, use Compaq 610 and Dell Vostro (core2duo). Although they are capable of running 64 bit software, we use 32 bit

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 12/07/16 08:52, Colin Watson wrote: > I would strongly prefer to keep the port building as normal, but > deemphasise it in whatever ways are useful to discourage people from > using it, and perhaps not worry too much about failures further up the > stack. +1 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:17:48PM -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: > * Keep a small amount of i386 libs/apps in 18.10+ including whatever > it takes to build/run Wine (but drop the majority of packages) I'd just like to point out that any solution involving selective package building will likely be a

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Josh DuBois wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov > wrote: > >> 18.10+: >> * Stop providing i386 port >> * Run legacy i386 only application in snaps / containers / virtual >> machines > > In terms of running legacy

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 7/11/16 11:17 AM, Bryan Quigley wrote: I could see us: * Determine Snappy is the best way to distribute Wine (which would require the bundling of 32-bit libs I think). * Keep a small amount of i386 libs/apps in 18.10+ including whatever it takes to build/run Wine (but drop the majority of

Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel>> wrote: /18.10+: />/* Stop providing i386 port />/* Run legacy i386 only application in snaps / containers / virtual machines/ In terms of running legacy i386 applications in snaps /

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Dimitri John Ledkov schreef op 30-06-2016 20:14: My current hunch is like this at the moment: - 18.04 to still have an i386 port in the archive, and be upgradable to. - 18.04 not having desktop/server install media (however maybe even releases before that) - 18.04 has "ubuntu-desktop" but

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Charl Wentzel wrote: > > > On 01/07/2016 21:05, Bryan Quigley wrote: > > Can you elaborate on what specific systems you are purchasing today > that use 32-bit x86 (I believe the only vendors ever were AMD, Intel > and VIA)? > > The

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 01/07/2016 21:05, Bryan Quigley wrote: Can you elaborate on what specific systems you are purchasing today that use 32-bit x86 (I believe the only vendors ever were AMD, Intel and VIA)? The chipsets are mostly AMD and Intel as you've stated. The vendor I purchase from mostly is iEi. They

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

> I use Ubuntu as my main platform on embedded system. There are still many > viable 32-bit platforms that are being manufactured. Can you elaborate on what specific systems you are purchasing today that use 32-bit x86 (I believe the only vendors ever were AMD, Intel and VIA)? Also what is

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 29/06/2016 15:37, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and laptops, but I would not be surprised if 32-bit

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

OK, I'm reassured that we're thinking about this appropriately, thanks Dimitri & friends. Mark -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

OK, I'm reassured that we're thinking about this appropriately, thanks Dimitri & friends. Mark -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hello Mark, On 29 June 2016 at 14:37, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used > for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers > targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and >

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hello Mark, On 29 June 2016 at 14:37, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used > for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers > targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and >

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hello, On 28 June 2016 at 21:08, Seth Arnold wrote: >> 18.04 LTS: >> * continue to provide i386 port to run legacy applications on amd64 >> * stop producing i386 d-i / netboot installer >> * stop producing i386 kernel >> * stop producing i386 cloud-images >> * stop

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hello, On 28 June 2016 at 21:08, Seth Arnold wrote: >> 18.04 LTS: >> * continue to provide i386 port to run legacy applications on amd64 >> * stop producing i386 d-i / netboot installer >> * stop producing i386 kernel >> * stop producing i386 cloud-images >> * stop

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi, Just to be clear, I'm not proposing that Ubuntu MATE absolutely want to continue providing 32bit iso images. My daughter has a Dell Mini 9 Atom netbook, it is 32bit only. I think netbooks are in the category of computers sold fairly recently that are still very usable. However, the main

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

hi, Am Mittwoch, den 29.06.2016, 21:33 + schrieb Robert Ancell: > It may be worth considering disabling i386 builds for individual > packages to reduce the support costs. That way the core packages can > build for i386 and be used in IoT systems while the graphical > application stacks can

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:37 AM Stéphane Graber wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 09:33:24PM +, Robert Ancell wrote: > > It may be worth considering disabling i386 builds for individual packages > > to reduce the support costs. That way the core packages can build for >

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 09:33:24PM +, Robert Ancell wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:41 AM Steve Langasek > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 08:18:54AM +0100, Martin Wimpress wrote: > > > Excuse the top posting, only have a phone available. > > > > >

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:41 AM Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 08:18:54AM +0100, Martin Wimpress wrote: > > Excuse the top posting, only have a phone available. > > > Ubuntu MATE works with a few organisations around the world, one in my > own > >

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi Bryan, On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:02:02AM -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: > I'll work on creating a new public survey (and possibly a separate > partner/customer one). > Based on my previous one, my biggest concerns were for Lubuntu/Xubuntu. > With recent memory testing [1] it's even more true

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 29.06.2016 15:37, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used > for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers > targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and > laptops, but I would not be surprised if

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 29.06.2016 15:37, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used > for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers > targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and > laptops, but I would not be surprised if

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi Martin, On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 08:18:54AM +0100, Martin Wimpress wrote: > Excuse the top posting, only have a phone available. > Ubuntu MATE works with a few organisations around the world, one in my own > country, that refurbish donated computers, install them with Ubuntu MATE > and give

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Let's also factor in flavors like Lubuntu that aim to use very minimal resources and that have the ability to run with ~ 300 MB of RAM on an i386 machine. While I understand modern applications are removing i386 support, we have a nice application base for Lubuntu for both LXDE and LXQt that

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

hi, Am Mittwoch, den 29.06.2016, 14:37 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely > used > for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers > targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and > laptops, but I

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Greetings, Let's also factor in flavors like Lubuntu that aim to use very minimal resources and that have the ability to run with ~ 300 MB of RAM on an i386 machine. While I understand modern applications are removing i386 support, we have a nice application base for Lubuntu for both LXDE and

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and laptops, but I would not be surprised if 32-bit x86 is used in small 'embedded' environments.

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Folks, I think we need to understand whether i386 won't be widely used for very small IoT devices and hence be important for developers targeting those. I accept i386 i no longer relevant for PC's and laptops, but I would not be surprised if 32-bit x86 is used in small 'embedded' environments.

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi, Excuse the top posting, only have a phone available. Ubuntu MATE works with a few organisations around the world, one in my own country, that refurbish donated computers, install them with Ubuntu MATE and give (or sell them for next to nothing) to schools, disadvantaged families and people

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Seth Arnold wrote: > I propose that 16.04 LTS should be the last release with i386 support. > That way we don't leave anyone with a choice of (a) keep running > known-insecure 17.10 in 2018 or (b) figure out how to do a downgrade > back

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

hat the surveys say. Anyway next steps I see: * We discussed dropping Ubuntu-desktop i386 images for 16.10+ previously. That seems like the obvious one to drop i386 first. Anyone against doing that now? * I'll write and distribute the surveys. * Ask specific flavors if they want to drop i386 ah

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 02:54:13PM +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > Let me resurrect this thread. In the context of what we should be > doing in 18.04 and what to do between now and then. Thanks for raising this again; it'd be nice to have a plan in place before we wind up in a difficult

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 02:54:13PM +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > Let me resurrect this thread. In the context of what we should be > doing in 18.04 and what to do between now and then. Thanks for raising this again; it'd be nice to have a plan in place before we wind up in a difficult

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

r i386. I > don't > > see much reason to separate the userspace security support, but we will > see > > what the surveys say. > > > > Anyway next steps I see: > > * We discussed dropping Ubuntu-desktop i386 images for 16.10+ previously. > > That seems like the ob

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

8.04 kernel and d-i (and Lubuntu) for i386. I don't > see much reason to separate the userspace security support, but we will see > what the surveys say. > > Anyway next steps I see: > * We discussed dropping Ubuntu-desktop i386 images for 16.10+ previously. > That seems like t

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

hat the surveys say. Anyway next steps I see: * We discussed dropping Ubuntu-desktop i386 images for 16.10+ previously. That seems like the obvious one to drop i386 first. Anyone against doing that now? * I'll write and distribute the surveys. * Ask specific flavors if they want to drop i386 ah

Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

amd64 kernel, and >> amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware validation is done on amd64 too. >> >> In 2016, people with i386-only hardware are unlikely to be capable to >> run Unity 7 Desktop, and probably run other Ubuntu variants. I guess >> there are some accidental i38

Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

amd64 kernel, and >> amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware validation is done on amd64 too. >> >> In 2016, people with i386-only hardware are unlikely to be capable to >> run Unity 7 Desktop, and probably run other Ubuntu variants. I guess >> there are some accidental i38

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

ith Unity can't be upgraded any further. But then I don't see the harm in saying click here to install Desktop Environment X. >>> >>> * because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu >>> Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS >

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 02.02.2016 20:38, Serge Hallyn wrote: > Quoting Dimitri John Ledkov (x...@ubuntu.com): >> On 2 February 2016 at 07:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> On 01.02.2016 23:14, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: Hello, Ubuntu has an i386 port which is fully supported.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

* because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu > Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS > > * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third > > Otherwise, all survey results will remain constant. > > Building images is cheap, however I do

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

l simply EOL. >> >> * because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu >> Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS >> >> * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third >> >> Otherwise, all survey results will remain co

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

still > need to take some action even if it's just saying.. Sorry Ubuntu > x86_32 with Unity can't be upgraded any further. But then I don't see > the harm in saying click here to install Desktop Environment X. > >>>> >>>> * because any new installation is amd64 ca

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

ith Unity can't be upgraded any further. But then I don't see the harm in saying click here to install Desktop Environment X. >>> >>> * because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu >>> Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS >

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

l simply EOL. >> >> * because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu >> Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS >> >> * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third >> >> Otherwise, all survey results will remain co

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

or 16.04 some i386 iso (by 18.04 the problem might be resolved through > the crappy life-span recent hw seems to have)... > My argument here would be that, such a netbook already has Ubuntu on it. And that one would not want to /install/ it, but only /upgrade/ it to 16.04 LTS. And thus archiv

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi, On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64 kernel, and >amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware validation is done on amd64 too. > >In 2016, people with i386-only

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

* because any new installation is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu > Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS > > * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third > > Otherwise, all survey results will remain constant. > > Building images is cheap, however I do

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

On 02.02.2016 12:27, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/02/2016 08:58, Stefan Bader wrote: >>> >My guess is that: all currently shipped hardware, with enough support >>> >to run full Unity (7) Desktop, is amd64. Tested with amd64 kernel, and >>> >amd64 graphics drivers. And hardware

Ubuntu Desktop on i386

hardware are unlikely to be capable to run Unity 7 Desktop, and probably run other Ubuntu variants. I guess there are some accidental i386 users, e.g. those that have installed i386 variant on amd64 hardware. Does it still make sense to build ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso? Validate it? Test it on amd64

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

are are unlikely to be capable to > run Unity 7 Desktop, and probably run other Ubuntu variants. I guess > there are some accidental i386 users, e.g. those that have installed > i386 variant on amd64 hardware. > > Does it still make sense to build ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso? Validate

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

are are unlikely to be capable to > run Unity 7 Desktop, and probably run other Ubuntu variants. I guess > there are some accidental i386 users, e.g. those that have installed > i386 variant on amd64 hardware. > > Does it still make sense to build ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso? Validate

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

on is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third Otherwise, all survey results will remain constant. Building images is cheap, however I do not believe we can actually adequately support i386 ones for ubunt

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

on is amd64 capable, or such is the Ubuntu Desktop ISO installer requirement for 16.04 LTS * reduce releases.ubuntu.com mirror costs by about a third Otherwise, all survey results will remain constant. Building images is cheap, however I do not believe we can actually adequately support i386 ones for ubunt

Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

nably accelerated to cope. Not sure about unity 7. But maybe some reason to allow at least for 16.04 some i386 iso (by 18.04 the problem might be resolved through the crappy life-span recent hw seems to have)... -Stefan > > Does it still make sense to build ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso? Validate > i