Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:26PM -0700, Mathias Gug wrote: What are you referring to by package ? The make a parallel with python, the gem command is similar to easy_intall. And ezinstall is broken by design for a binary distro and for endusers. ezinstall doesn't check if there is the

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-20 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 20 août 2008 à 01:37 -0400, Adam Petaccia a écrit : On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:12 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le lundi 18 août 2008 à 11:05 -0500, Mario Limonciello a écrit : Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path to empathy. I've seen

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered that SMART *does* indicate of

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Onno Benschop
On 20/08/08 16:40, Soren Hansen wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you

Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Null Ack
Evening Devs, Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with viewing (not changing) preferences. Apport came through and I ended up at an invalid existing bug from 2007 because the user had not submitted debugging

Re: Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15

2008-08-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 05:05:25PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure. And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered that SMART *does* indicate of

Re: Intrepid compatibility with C3 CPUs

2008-08-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:31:48PM +0100, Sam Tygier wrote: It appears that the kernel now requires the 'cmov' instruction. If i understand right this is a i686 instruction. It's an optional i686 instruction. CPUs are allowed to claim i686 support without implementing it. Unfortunately, it's

Re: problem bootin inetboot

2008-08-20 Thread Kuniyasu Suzaki
Hello, From: (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problem bootin inetboot On Thursday 07 August 2008 04:46:14 Kuniyasu Suzaki wrote: I tried the ISO file with InetBoot and found the problem. The style of config files (/isolinux/*.cfg) are changed. InetBoot assumes that

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:42:31 +1000 Null Ack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evening Devs, Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with viewing (not changing) preferences. Apport came through and I ended up at an invalid

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Neil Wilson
Scott, I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about. Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly. So if Ubuntu wants Rails, it has to have Gem that works. Therefore I saw my task as

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:07:46PM +0100, Neil Wilson wrote: Scott, I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about. Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly. So if Ubuntu

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 16:06 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: please stop this marking-as-invalid-mania. +1. It's a bad idea to hide problems, even ones that cannot be replicated. On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which are not sufficiently documented as to be

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Smith wrote on 20/08/08 15:20: ... On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which are not sufficiently documented as to be reproducible/fixable. ... So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a new

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Paul Smith wrote on 20/08/08 15:20: ... On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which are not sufficiently documented as to be reproducible/fixable. ... So, if there is no suitable bug state existing

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack: I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very low hit rate with this working in practice. How about getting this even more automated? Apport would have three

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman wrote on 20/08/08 15:34: On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a new state for these kinds of bugs. We can call it watching, or

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 11:00, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Scott Kitterman wrote on 20/08/08 15:34: On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a new state for these kinds of bugs. We can call it

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Emmet Hikory
Scott Kitterman wrote: By marking incomplete backtrace crash bugs invalid we lose information both about circumstances of crashes and frequency. A bug with 50 dupes and one good backtrace is different than one with no dupes. Reading the dictionary definition of 'invalid', I don't think it's

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:39:40AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:42:31 +1000 Null Ack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evening Devs, Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with viewing (not

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:42:42PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack: I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very low hit rate with this working in practice. How

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:06:56PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: So yes, please stop this marking-as-invalid-mania. I think the real problem here is that we open new bugs for every crash in the first place. Having a separate crash database from where developers can pick individual crashes

PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Conn
Hello, Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I feel it is very important to encourage some discussion and collaboration towards fixing these issues (or at least a discussion as to why we won't

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/8/20 Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I feel it is very important to encourage some discussion and collaboration towards fixing these issues (or at

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/8/20 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well? But what do we do with these then? They are still bugs, and with some crashes we never seem to get a backtrace with

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/20 Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I feel it is very important to

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:42:01PM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote: 2008/8/20 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well? But what do we do with these then? They are still

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/8/20 Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash and audacity? It sounds like anything people are likely to be using is broken. I think it's actually better to ship without pulse audio than to break people's sound like this. My

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-20 Thread Xavier Claessens
On mar, 2008-08-19 at 23:12 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:33 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: It appears to me that Empathy could eventually replace both Pidgin and Ekiga. I don't currently use Ekiga, but can anyone tell me how close Empathy is to being comparable?

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Conn
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash and audacity? It sounds like anything people are likely to be using is broken. I think it's actually better to ship without pulse audio than to break people's sound like this. My hardy audio only started working

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original email, since he's extremely behind on list mails): Feel free to forward my thoughts to u-d-d. I've been away from development for a bit, so I'll chime in here. WRT 198453, the only piece holding back Kubuntu and Xubuntu is a

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Conn
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working PCM-multi-out (aka software mixing), because ALSA doesn't do mixing. It gets rid of that thing where people complain because they can't get sound notifications from Pidgin while listening to music in Rhythmbox.

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Conn
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original email, since he's extremely behind on list mails): Feel free to forward my thoughts to u-d-d. I've been away from development for a bit, so I'll

Re: PulseAudio integration issues

2008-08-20 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original email, since he's extremely behind on list mails): Feel free to forward my thoughts to

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:42:01 +0100 Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/20 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well? But what do we do with these then? They are

Problem with hotkey-setup

2008-08-20 Thread Travis Place
Hi all, First of all, im not on the mailing list, so please post replies to my address. I have been tracking down a problem on my (K)Ubuntu installs for a few days, and found out what the issue is.. Basically, on my HP DV2839TX laptop, if i press the button to disable/enable the touchpad,

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12: ... Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop. The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:20:38AM -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Also, it seems to me that if you tell someone their bug is invalid that doesn't inspire them to come back with more information or send more bugs in the future. On the other hand, if you mark the bug as need help or similar, then

ubuntu-restricted-extras

2008-08-20 Thread PhilCeeBee
Please see this thread I started in development. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=894346 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-08-20 Thread Null Ack
2008/8/21 Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack: I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very low hit rate with this working in practice. How about getting this even

Intrepid compatibility with C3 CPUs #5212

2008-08-20 Thread M G
The C3 is still listed as a current product on the Via web site. However, if Wikipedia can be trusted, then not all C3 processors are the same when it comes to cmov support. The CPU flags have to be examined to see if a particular generation of C3 model supports cmov or not. The problem also may