Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2008/9/13 (R)om [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every action taken is logged in ~/.recently-used and ~/.recently-used.xbel. It should be fine to provide a way to disable this (useless?) logging. It's definitely not useless: the documents are seen in Places → Recent Documents (and the list can be manually

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008-09-15 Thread Krzysztof Lichota
2008/9/14 Tristan Wibberley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:51 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: As an author of Prefetch, I cannot agree that it would not fix seeks ;) Part of my implementation, not enabled by default as it is highly experimental, is ext3 defragmenter which puts all

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2008-09-15 kello 11:05 +0200, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk kirjoitti: 2008/9/13 (R)om [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every action taken is logged in ~/.recently-used and ~/.recently-used.xbel. It should be fine to provide a way to disable this (useless?) logging. It's definitely not useless: the

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008-09-15 Thread Krzysztof Lichota
2008/9/12 Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:35 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: Thanks. There are some rough edges in patches themselves which should be straightened out. And the feedback on using prefetch was pretty much non-existing. What is the recommended way of

Re: Configuration Validation

2008-09-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Owens wrote on 13/09/08 04:18: ... One of the concerns I have is with configurations, specifically those in /etc and those in ~/.* . The files in /etc are known to the apt system and it's been built to warn the user if config files are to

Re: Backtracing, Invalidated Bugs and Quality

2008-09-15 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 14.09.2008 um 03:32 schrieb Null Ack: Action Item 1: I'm not a developer, but I can help any developers with testing and feedback for enhancements to Apport. Null, your investments in enhancing Apport ist great. Now, a few weeks later, I've learned Apport can map coredumps to readable

Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Markus Hitter
Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit of free software and the

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux is trademarked, yet I see no EULA for it. Trademarks can be free depending on how they're licensed. I already believe Firefox's no modifcations policy is already fairly bad, and now we need an EULA on top of being restricted on changing it? Bah,

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Remco
One compelling reason (which I also posted on that launchpad thread) not to keep on using Firefox is that Mozilla can hurt Ubuntu with this stuff. They can demand all kinds of stuff way too late in Ubuntu's development cycle, with no time for Ubuntu to properly respond to it. The web browser is a

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Morgan Collett
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 13:12, Peteris Krisjanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Disclaimer: I'm not trademark lawyer, but do know people with some professional insight in this field. Linux is trademarked, yet I see no EULA for it. And it was one of reasons why Linux foundation almost lost trademark. When they tried to enforce it properly, they heard all the same cries,

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread ®om
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk a écrit : 2008/9/13 (R)om[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every action taken is logged in ~/.recently-used and ~/.recently-used.xbel. It should be fine to provide a way to disable this (useless?) logging. It's definitely not useless: the documents are seen in Places →

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Paul Gevers
Almost every industry product we know has some sort of a trademark. Yet, when you buy paper towels, grocery, shoes, ... nowhere you have to agree to such an agreement. Not even when buying high-level items like cars. This is about the ability to distribute, not about the private at the

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:01 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 15.09.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: trademarks are trademarks. They must be enforced and only way for owners to control them is agreements. Almost every industry product we know has some sort of a trademark. Yet,

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Remco
Giving out CDs for an early celebration of Software Freedom Day yesterday, we were asked *very* often if Ubuntu had a web browser. Yes, Firefox Oh good, I use that on Windows. #1: Same response, and they're used to click-throughs anyway #2: We'd have to explain all the trademark stuff and

Re: Full boot in 45s, 3 possible improvements (for Jaunty Jackalope 9.04?)

2008-09-15 Thread Krzysztof Lichota
2008/9/15 Andre Mussche [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I want to try to use e2defrag on my ext3 disk, to try to reorder the bootfiles (of the readahead list), so less head movements. e2defrag is dangerous, can destroy your data, and should not be used. See

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I don't really like #3 because while I recognize that Webkit is a *great* rendering engine, Firefox has a monopoly on extensions. Hrm, maybe there needs to be some mass attempt at migrating FF extensions to Epiphany. By the way, I thought the same, and then I decided to check out Epiphany -

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:18 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2008-09-15 kello 11:05 +0200, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk kirjoitti: 2008/9/13 (R)om [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every action taken is logged in ~/.recently-used and ~/.recently-used.xbel. It should be fine to provide a way to

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2008/9/15 Neal McBurnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But first I'd like to actually read the EULA, and I'm surprised no one has posted the text of it (as far as I have found) to this discussion or to the bug. The link to it was in the bug: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/firefox3-en.html --

Re: Full boot in 45s, 3 possible improvements (for Jaunty Jackalope 9.04?)

2008-09-15 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Mo, 2008-09-15 at 15:57 +0200, Andre Mussche wrote: But I do not know how to optimize udev/modprobe and gnome? i plan to work on some improved scripts for the modprobe issue in jaunty, what you can do today is to provide a fixed list of modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, that

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread A. Walton
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:18 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2008-09-15 kello 11:05 +0200, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk kirjoitti: 2008/9/13 (R)om [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every action taken is logged in ~/.recently-used

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:08 -0400, A. Walton wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:18 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2008-09-15 kello 11:05 +0200, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk kirjoitti: 2008/9/13 (R)om [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: Full boot in 45s, 3 possible improvements (for Jaunty Jackalope 9.04?)

2008-09-15 Thread Phillip Susi
Krzysztof Lichota wrote: 2008/9/15 Andre Mussche [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I want to try to use e2defrag on my ext3 disk, to try to reorder the bootfiles (of the readahead list), so less head movements. e2defrag is dangerous, can destroy your data, and should not be used. See

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 02:12:52PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel and rebrand it

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:12 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Hi! IMHO, several ways to handle that: 1) Cave in to Mozilla request (Trademarks are trademarks. They are bitch and their protection are somehow incompatible with free software. But that's life) 2) Provide Iceweasel and rebrand it

Re: .recently-used : provide a way to disable the logging

2008-09-15 Thread A. Walton
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:08 -0400, A. Walton wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:18 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2008-09-15 kello 11:05

Rejecting the Firefox EULA in Ubuntu

2008-09-15 Thread Sean Hodges
Is there an easy way to reject the EULA on the Firefox shipped with Ubuntu and still be able to use the software? Has anyone patched the source code to remove this yet? I'm not just an end-user of the software, and I do not want to mess around with licence agreements each time I want to modify

Platinum Arts Sandbox to Appear at the ABLEconf Linux Conference and Test Release soon!

2008-09-15 Thread Platinum Arts
Just wanted to let everyone know that might live in Arizona about the linux conference going on called Ableconf. You can find out more information at the webpage http://Ableconf.com Platinum Arts Sandbox is to be featured there. The Sandbox presentation media will be posted online after the

Re: Rejecting the Firefox EULA in Ubuntu

2008-09-15 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Sean Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to reject the EULA on the Firefox shipped with Ubuntu and still be able to use the software? Has anyone patched the source code to remove this yet? Is ABrowser [1] sufficient for your purposes? Denver

Re: Rejecting the Firefox EULA in Ubuntu

2008-09-15 Thread Iain Lane
Denver Gingerich wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Sean Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to reject the EULA on the Firefox shipped with Ubuntu and still be able to use the software? Has anyone patched the source code to remove this yet? Is ABrowser [1] sufficient

Re: Packages in Main/Universe I'm not allowed to modify ...

2008-09-15 Thread Joe Terranova
Cross-posting to Ubuntu-devel-discuss. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not directly about the current Firefox EULA debacle, but that is what got me thinking about this topic. As an Ubuntu developer, I am not allowed to patch Firefox and upload

Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA

2008-09-15 Thread Onno Benschop
On 15/09/08 18:52, Markus Hitter wrote: Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are