Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Stephan Hermann
Moins, On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 02:27 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: On 11/11/2008 Scott Kitterman wrote: I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one) to hold your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your hands off the keyboard. Being

Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?

2008-11-13 Thread Chris Coulson
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Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts the hardware on the list of supported hardware. I hope this is not really the idea of the ubuntu developers on this topic, because if so, then I can

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Stephan Hermann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 09:00 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts the hardware on the list of supported hardware. I hope this is not really the

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Andrew Sayers
Sarah - this should make sense on its own, but it builds on an idea I suggested in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-November/006250.html which you might provide a little background to this post. 3) There are plenty of other hardware regressions by which I am affected

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Sean Hodges
Canonical does provide Support for Ubuntu for You, when you want to pay it. If not, fix it yourself, or help us fixing it e.g. join the irc and point people to it. If people can't help you directly, because of not having the broken hardware, you can try to provide this hardware to the

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 13.11.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Stephan Hermann: But reality told me different. Stephan, your points about the unfortunate truth are valid. Nevertheless, software quality is one of the keys to success. I've just filed the second bug where one of the Gnome applets segfaults in a standard

Hardware regressions was (Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions))

2008-11-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:00:36 + Vincenzo Ciancia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a distributor adds more goodies to the kernel, then be happy, but that doesn't mean, that it really works...even when the distributor puts the hardware on the list of supported hardware. I hope this is not

Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Martin Pitt
Markus Hitter [2008-11-13 11:56 +0100]: While we can't fix developers, we can put more automatic helpers into place: - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't help. We don't disable Apport in stable releases because we want to hide bugs. The reasons are, in

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Andrew Sayers
Stephan Hermann wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of the trouble. This is something I don't understand. When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): Ok, for the next 4

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Chris Coulson
2008/11/13 Andrew Sayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephan Hermann wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:56 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: - Allow downgrades. This should help narrowing potential causes of the trouble. This is something I don't understand. When I upgrade to a new release, I

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:13, Andrew Sayers wrote: Sarah - this should make sense on its own, but it builds on an idea I suggested in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-November/006250 .html which you might provide a little background to this post. 3) There

RE: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote: Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work for him, under various modes. Various users on the forums have also mentioned that their systems don't work with these cards. However, other users on the forums,

dissappearing sym link

2008-11-13 Thread richard
Hi all , I've doned the asbestos pants On an upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 the symlink from /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 is not made. on a clean install of 8.10 its made. I verified it as well by reloading 8.04 and upgrading, and then do a clean install of 8.10. If I put that on the forums it

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote: Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work for him, under various modes. Various users on the forums have also mentioned that their

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:58 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote: Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work for him, under various modes.

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:58 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote: Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work for him, under various modes.

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I just expect NM to not work when it comes to WEP. I have 4965 and it worked fine for me with KNetworkManager and WEP in Hardy. I have't had a need

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:48:40 +0100 Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Hitter [2008-11-13 11:56 +0100]: While we can't fix developers, we can put more automatic helpers into place: - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't help. We don't disable

Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 21:12 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't bothered trying to use the GUI with my iwl4965 and WEP. I just expect NM to not work when it comes to WEP. I have 4965 and it worked fine for

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Matthew East
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard people discuss post-release regressions due to SRU/security updates. I was chatting with another developer last night who said he'd found Hardy very stable at release and less so as it got updated. Perhaps