Hi Mark,
I think I understand now why you and the list have been butting heads so
much. I'd like to present my theory, then explain how you can be more
productive in advocating to developers.
At a Fortune 500 company, I would expect that advocacy is very political
- it's important to create (
Good day
Thanks for your response. Suspecting that there could be a problem with the
card itself (rather inconveniently coincidental, since I just bought a new
mobo, psu and ram after a power surge (as far as I can ascertain) killed my
PSU and I wasn't sure exactly what was dead, and just wanted t
> It is certainly an improvement to make these things make sense.
>
Call it whatever you will. Improvement/fixing three decade long error
> We can argue about how to do it, who to work with, etc, but
> this confusion finally needs to be cleaned up.
>
If I earlier gave the impression not t
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:01:48AM +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
> Except that this is not 'improvement'. This is about blowing that
> erroneous three decade or so operating system convention of using SI
> prefixes for 1024 multiples of bytes out of the water without adding to
> the confusion t
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
>> obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
>> who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
>> neighborlee when they speak of the dange
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
> obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
> who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
> neighborlee when they speak of the dangers of MONO
We're mostly students, I think. Computer science
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Chan e a todos.
>
> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 15:57:58 Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
>
>> You have ENTIRE communities of Linux users who have never even heard of
>> kibi/mebi/gibi let alone the IEC.
>>
>
> Let me take this a bit out of context: you
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:56:34 pm Mark Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
> > and working on from there. I can't think of any similarly significant
> > contributions from Mark Fink or from Paige Thompson. Why would I "respect"
> > your view more than Miguel's? "Respect" is earned
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Christopher
Olah wrote:
>> Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
>> we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
>> who can't tell the difference will keep using a "different" google, but
>> there is not eve
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> Mark Fink continues to scribble:
>>
>> luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
>> MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
>> who drink they're koolaid)...
>
> Wasn't it you who was com
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
>> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
>> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
>> the default install like Fedora is doing.
>
> A few questions:
>
> a) "Respect" from whom, exact
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Christopher
Olah wrote:
> It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
> accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
>
> We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
> like the OP suggests, someth
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 07:59 +0200, Davyd McColl wrote:
> Good day
>
> I've used Ubuntu for quite some time (years), following upgrade cycles
> on 32-bit and staying clear of 64-bit just because a lot of people
> have reported having a hard time of it. I recently installed 64-bit
> Jaunty on my lap
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Olá Chan e a todos.
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 15:57:58 Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
> You have ENTIRE communities of Linux users who have never even heard of
> kibi/mebi/gibi let alone the IEC.
Let me take this a bit out of context: you have entire countries who never
heard of FOSS or GNU
Olá Davyd e a todos.
On Monday 25 May 2009 06:59:05 Davyd McColl wrote:
> What I want to know is: is this common for 64-bit systems (to have dodgy
> proprietary (ie, NVIDIA / ATI) drivers)?
I've been running 64 bits on this laptop (with NVidia FeForce 8400) and the
close source driver, since 7.
Olá Vincenzo e a todos.
On Saturday 23 May 2009 12:26:04 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> Perhaps this is a bug in the kernel related to suspend. I will
> investigate again the problem in the following days.
After 3 or 4 hibernate/resume cycles my system tends to slow down a lot.
So usually i have to re
Olá Vincenzo e a todos.
On Saturday 23 May 2009 12:10:58 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> I am running jaunty. Sometimes, randomly, the disk starts spinning (I
> hear the noise and see the light) and the system becomes unusable.
> Often, to gain control of a shell (even in console) is a matter of
> waiti
In the Intrepid cycle, there was something going on where it would add a
"last good boot" option to grub instead of all the old kernels in order to
keep the list cleaner and shorter. It was dropped quite close to release
because of some unfixed bugs, and seems to have disappeared. Whatever
happened
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 15:21 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 6:45:20 pm André Pirard wrote:
> > Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
>
> I think this was talked about at UDS as something people wanted to do.
were there discussions about how to manage hibern
I like the idea of App name - function, or Function - app name. Either
way. There are enough hard-to-pronounce app names in the Linux world
that it should be required to list the app function along with the app
name. Even listening to Linux podcasts, there is never any consensus on
how to pr
On Monday 08 June 2009 6:45:20 pm André Pirard wrote:
> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
I think this was talked about at UDS as something people wanted to do.
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On Monday 08 June 2009 5:26:17 pm Paige Thompson wrote:
> well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
> douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
Well that wasn't very polite...
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> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:45:56 +0200
> From: Soren Hansen
> Subject: Re: Properly identifying applications
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> If you put yourself in the place of someone who is not used to
> Linux: You have a document you want to open (and for some reason
> y
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Goetz wrote:
> Given that my signal to noise ratio is already at a white noise breaking
> point (and that I'm probably not alone here), can we please keep these
> kinds of tit-for-tat arguments, rhetoric, ad hominem attacks, and
> flirting off the devel-disc
On 06/08/2009 05:45 PM, André Pirard wrote:
> On 2009-06-08 23:32, Colin Watson wrote :
>> As of tomorrow's daily builds (assuming they build successfully,
>> anyway), GRUB 2 will be the default boot loader for new installations,
>> pursuant to the grub2-as-default discussion at UDS.
>>
> GRUB
Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard:
>
>> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
>> This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to
>> dynamic swap size.
>
> + 1
Not unless you have fixed the ability to hibernate to a swap file...
> Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
> we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
> who can't tell the difference will keep using a "different" google, but
> there is not even way to get some discussion around this (I tried in the
> p
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 17.45 +0200, Soren Hansen ha scritto:
>
>
> Couldn't this be easily resolved by you telling them to use "Document
> Viewer" rather than telling them to use "Evince"?
If all programs were equally feature complete and bug free, or if there
was a clear winner and that
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 16.55 +0200, David MENTRE ha scritto:
>
> I agree. Displaying a "Document Viewer (evince)" or "Document Viewer /
> evince" would be a big plus.
Yes also because this is needed when talking to ordinary non-technical
users e.g. my mother on the phone "I could not see
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 12.14 -0400, Christopher Olah ha scritto:
>
> It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
> accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
>
> We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
> like the
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 09.48 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> that's a LOT of bloat
>
> also programs like Gnote are GPL3 so you are protected from patents
Come on this is the only fair criticism that I have seen until now; I
think we still don't ship timidity fonts and have broken midi
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:45 PM, André Pirard wrote:
> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
> This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to dynamic swap
> size.
There was a blueprint to discuss at UDS:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-kar
Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard:
> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
> This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to
> dynamic swap size.
+ 1
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 09:50:26AM -0500, Patrick Goetz wrote:
>> No one knows to look for "Document Viewer"
>
> If you put yourself in the place of someone who is not used to Linux:
> You have a document you want to open (and for some reason y
> Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono.
One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source
software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what
they're doing and "give love" to something else on your behalf never works.
Maybe your time, and
On 2009-06-08 23:32, Colin Watson wrote :
As of tomorrow's daily builds (assuming they build successfully,
anyway), GRUB 2 will be the default boot loader for new installations,
pursuant to the grub2-as-default discussion at UDS.
GRUB should be in its own partition, tentatively containing rep
> well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
> douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
With a free-floating, completely content-free snipe at one of "us all". It
hardly rises to the level of an "observation".
(And if I used _italics_, you'd doubt
> Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick
> around like this.
Er, _what_? I'm afraid I'm unable to work out the relevance of this comment to
that message.
Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm actually still on sabbatical this week,
so to be technical, I'm get
It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
like the OP suggests, something is _very_ wrong.
Just my $0.02...
Christopher
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I want to thank Paige for taking advantage of my "out of the office"
advisory to share her generally childish behavior with my manager, off-
list. We had a good laugh over that one, thanks. No jobs available for
you right now, Paige, sorry, but feel free to send a resume when you
get to be e
> Oh, so now Ubuntu also comes with Windows Media, H.264 and DivX? You
> can find those in the repositories as well. Maybe we should call
> MPEG-LA that there is big patent infringement going on here...
You can't find them in the universal repository, and some great lengths are
gone to in order t
Olá Sitsofe e a todos.
On Friday 15 May 2009 12:14:31 Sitsofe Wheeler wrote:
> That's reasonable too but w3m is installed by default and if it's used by so
> few
> perhaps it shouldn't be there by default - it strikes me as unsafe to be
> putting
> packages that can't be supported on people's sy
Scott James Remnant wrote:
> Why should Ubuntu actively prevent a developer from writing software in
> C# if they wish? That software may not even be intended to be shipped
> in Ubuntu, what if they want to use Ubuntu as the basis for an
> application that happens to be written in C#? Do you ser
Hello Soren,
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 17:45, Soren Hansen wrote:
> You think "Evince" is more helpful than "Document Viewer"? How so?
I personally think we should keep both, e.g. "Document Viewer
(Evince)". Why not have an inclusive view instead of an exclusive one?
The exact instantiation could va
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 09:50:26AM -0500, Patrick Goetz wrote:
> It makes sense to me that all applications should be identified by
> their name as well as their function in gnome GUI menus.
I disagree. I /love/ the fact that our menu's aren't full of meaningless
names of applications. In fact, Gi
Given that my signal to noise ratio is already at a white noise breaking
point (and that I'm probably not alone here), can we please keep these
kinds of tit-for-tat arguments, rhetoric, ad hominem attacks, and
flirting off the devel-discuss list? Surely facebook, twitter, digg,
etc. should pro
Patrick,
What a great line!!! Umm... "shoot the GUI"?? (my command-line response).
Thanks for the smile.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Goetz wrote:
>
> When the command line is more user friendly than the GUI, this should
> set off those little alarm bells that something needs to b
Hello,
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 16:50, Patrick Goetz wrote:
> I'm not sure what the answer is at the moment, but a no-brainer
> choice is to clearly identify WHAT application is being invoked from the
> menu.
I agree. Displaying a "Document Viewer (evince)" or "Document Viewer /
evince" would be a
It looks like no one responded to the concern raised below. It makes
sense to me that all applications should be identified by their name as
well as their function in gnome GUI menus. Furthermore, not doing so
frequently increases confusion for naive users. For example, due to
ongoing bugs w
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
> 2009/6/9 Derek Broughton
>>
>> Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while
>> dismissing perfectly valid arguments.
>>
>> > The codecs are
>> > not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not install
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Nagy Viktor wrote:
> hi,
>
> I would like to see a recent maxima/wxmaxima version to be added to a
> (still open) repo
>
> the latest maxima version is 5.17: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
> the latest in ANY of the repos is 5.13
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search
You're welcome David, anytime you want to set yourself up for that go for
it. I can't promise I'll be here to hand your ass to you after you've so
carelessly lost track of it, unfortunately.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, David Schlesinger <
david.schlesin...@access-company.com> wrote:
> I wan
Il giorno lun, 08/06/2009 alle 20.50 -0300, Derek Broughton ha scritto:
>
> That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. Are you really
> just
> fink using different nym?
>
Professional trolling here at work. Do the communist have to do with the
plan? Just to know on what side I want
Derek Broughton wrote:
> Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
>
>
>> Il giorno sab, 06/06/2009 alle 23.55 -0400, Martin Owens ha scritto:
>>
>>> Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but
>>> the
>>> nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default
>>> but
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