Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Clint Byrum
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 23:39 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:34:58PM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > So I see the 1st stage as just installing the minimal server, then we > > boot to a login prompt...user logs in and can either do his/her business > > as desired or launch

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Mathias Gug
Excerpts from Colin Watson's message of Thu Nov 18 18:39:33 -0500 2010: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:34:58PM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > > > What if the Serve

Re: Run From Pocket Drive Installer Option?

2010-11-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Jono Bacon wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 17:50 -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: >> We could probably just detect if you have a persistence file on the >> media, and if there's anything of value in it, and if so, then change >> the verbiage from "Try Ubuntu" to "Launc

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:34:58PM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > > What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making > > > life easier for you,

Re: udev ignore_device removed why?

2010-11-18 Thread Daniel Chen
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:55 PM, pere lengo wrote: > I've tried to make a rule for udev, but it doesn't work because in version > 10.0.4 the OPTION ignore_device has been removed. Rationale given in the release notes for udev 148, see http://lwn.net/Articles/364728/ > Would next udev version all

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Mathias Gug
Excerpts from Robbie Williamson's message of Thu Nov 18 13:34:58 -0500 2010: > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at

udev ignore_device removed why?

2010-11-18 Thread pere lengo
Hi, i'm trying to use a guillemot corp. Hercules DJ peripherial in a vmware virtual machine running on ubuntu lucid 10.0.4. amd64 To be able to use it in vmware I have to disconnect it from usbhid. I've tried to make a rule for udev, but it doesn't work because in version 10.0.4 the OP

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread C de-Avillez
On 11/18/2010 09:49 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: >>> Q: What if the openssh-server package is compromised on the ISO? >>> A: Although this has happened before, it is relatively rare over the >>> history of Ubuntu. If/when this happens again, we would need to: >>>a) recommend that people choo

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Robbie Williamson
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > > > I think this screen is a good idea

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Martin Pitt
Dustin Kirkland [2010-11-18 10:57 -0600]: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Serge Hallyn > > Forgive me if the answer is obvious - but how is this any > > better then than simply expecting users to click 'ssh server' > > in the tasksel window which always comes up? > > It's not any better, Serge

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Colin Watson wrote: > (Please, in future, do not cross-post between the moderated ubuntu-devel > and the unmoderated ubuntu-devel-discuss.  Doing so produces time lags > which confuse people.) Dang. Sorry, Colin. Live and learn. > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:38:

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Serge Hallyn wrote: > Quoting Clint Byrum (cl...@ubuntu.com): >> On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:38 -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: >> >> > >> > This proposal requests that: >> >  1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer >> >  2) this prompt be dedicated to

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > > I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after > > > the first boot. > >

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Robbie Williamson
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after > > the first boot. > > We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain >

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:51:29AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think this seriously under values the many benifits of your proposal. The > concern I have with defaulting a new question to yes the first time it > appears > is that if someone has a standard preseed they are using this will

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after > the first boot. We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain for several reasons. Since we moved to a single-stage installer se

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, November 17, 2010 04:38:53 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote: > Q: Why not default the cursor on that question to "No", instead of "Yes"? > A: That totally bypasses the value of this proposal, and is only > microscopically better than what we currently have ... Dustin, I think this seriousl

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, November 18, 2010 04:21:42 am sam tygier wrote: > On 17/11/10 21:38, Dustin Kirkland wrote: > > This proposal requests that: > > 1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer > > 2) this prompt be dedicated to the boolean installation, or > > > > non-installation, of the

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Colin Watson
(Please, in future, do not cross-post between the moderated ubuntu-devel and the unmoderated ubuntu-devel-discuss. Doing so produces time lags which confuse people.) On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:38:53PM -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: > I am asking for ubuntu-devel's consensus, and an eventual Ubuntu

Re: Fwd: Re: FOSDEM - Distribution Miniconf

2010-11-18 Thread Sense Hofstede
Op 17-11-10 23:21, Manuel de la Pena schreef: > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: FOSDEM - Distribution Miniconf > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:19:54 +0100 > From: Manuel de la Pena > To: Laura Czajkowski > > > > On 15/11/2010 21:34, Laura Czajkowski w

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
I inadvertently left ubuntu-server@ off of the original distribution. Sorry about that. CC'ing now. There are a few responses already in the thread: * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-November/thread.html Thanks, Dustin On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dustin Kirkland wrot

Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server

2010-11-18 Thread sam tygier
On 17/11/10 21:38, Dustin Kirkland wrote: > This proposal requests that: > 1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer > 2) this prompt be dedicated to the boolean installation, or > non-installation, of the SSH service, as an essential facet of a > typical server > 3) the cursor