Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread David Klasinc
On 08/08/2012 08:15 PM, Dale Amon wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:52:45PM -0400, John Moser wrote: I hate Unity but I think I'd have trouble making a decent argument, given the above. Really I just want to know why EVERYTHING except Windows (which doesn't do anything useful in the first place

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 08/08/2012 07:08 PM, decle...@nuxwin.com wrote: > Please, > > You are not happy with Unity? So, I recommend you to simply move back to > gnome or any other UI of your choice, and then set up your launcher > where and as you want but please, stop to scare/annoy all Ubuntu > developers! You do no

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 08/08/12 23:49, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, August 08, 2012 02:35:00 PM Felix Miata wrote: >> On 2012/08/08 12:16 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: >>> Felix Miata wrote: You're under 40, right? Under 30 too? 20? >>> >>> 33 actually, though I don't see what that has to do with t

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread decle...@nuxwin.com
Le 09/08/2012 00:21, Alexandre Strube a écrit : Perhaps you could, instead of resorting to offense, show, by numbers/video/anything why you want something changed. Seriously. Most people here are quite protective of what they have, but no one is stupid. Prove yourself right, and the world wil

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, August 08, 2012 02:35:00 PM Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/08/08 12:16 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: > > Felix Miata wrote: > >> You're under 40, right? Under 30 too? 20? > > > > 33 actually, though I don't see what that has to do with the price of > > tea in China. > > Sadly obv

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Alexandre Strube
Perhaps you could, instead of resorting to offense, show, by numbers/video/anything why you want something changed. Seriously. Most people here are quite protective of what they have, but no one is stupid. Prove yourself right, and the world will go with you. The first example was very anedoctal

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/08/08 16:56 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: Felix Miata wrote: If you've not studiously watched people over 50 or 80 try to use a computer you should. Then you should be able to discover some important realities about UI usability. I have watched people that age use a computer

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Mittwoch, den 08.08.2012, 15:29 -0500 schrieb Jordon Bedwell: > On 08/08/2012 01:27 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > > Constructive criticism identifies a problem, explains why it is a > > problem, and suggests what can be done to fix it. Complaining about > > what was done in the past, and how it was

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2012 2:35 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Sadly obvious. If you've not studiously watched people over 50 or > 80 try to use a computer you should. Then you should be able to > discover some important realities about UI usability. I have watched people

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 08/08/2012 01:27 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > Constructive criticism identifies a problem, explains why it is a > problem, and suggests what can be done to fix it. Complaining about > what was done in the past, and how it was done, often with little > basis in reality, is ranting. See the differe

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: >> On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: >>> >>> Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. >>> >>> Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. >>> >>> Now reach out and grab the mouse. >>

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: >> >> Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. >> >> Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. >> >> Now reach out and grab the mouse. >> >> Where does the pointer end up? > > It ends up in th

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:52:45PM -0400, John Moser wrote: >> I hate Unity but I think I'd have trouble making a decent argument, >> given the above. Really I just want to know why EVERYTHING except >> Windows (which doesn't do anything useful i

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/08/08 12:16 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: Felix Miata wrote: You're under 40, right? Under 30 too? 20? 33 actually, though I don't see what that has to do with the price of tea in China. Sadly obvious. If you've not studiously watched people over 50 or 80 try to use a compu

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2012 2:11 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > Speaking of useless. And because critiscm is ranting... oh yeah > that is usually the go to word for people now everything is either > a rant or a troll now days. Don't expect me to throw on the > training

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Dale Amon
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:52:45PM -0400, John Moser wrote: > I hate Unity but I think I'd have trouble making a decent argument, > given the above. Really I just want to know why EVERYTHING except > Windows (which doesn't do anything useful in the first place) puts the > useful stuff in the top l

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 08/08/2012 12:34 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > If you actually explained how it has any bearing, rather than going on > a useless rant, your message might have some value to this list. Speaking of useless. And because critiscm is ranting... oh yeah that is usually the go to word for people now eve

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > It has a lot of bearing for people. Proper usability testing would have > pointed that out, and Canonicals decision not to allow the toolbar to be > on the right if users wanted is completely ignorant, more ignorant then > the joke of a Usa

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2012 1:15 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > It has a lot of bearing for people. Proper usability testing would > have pointed that out, and Canonicals decision not to allow the > toolbar to be on the right if users wanted is completely ignorant, > mo

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 08/08/2012 10:25 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: >> GNOME SHELL. The thing you have to hit to do anything is in the >> top left corner. Want to log out? That's in the top right, >> fastest thing you'll be able to hit ever. > > Which hand you prefer to hold the mouse with has no bearing on how > fast

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2012 11:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > You're under 40, right? Under 30 too? 20? 33 actually, though I don't see what that has to do with the price of tea in China. > We all must navigate to a clicking point before clicking. You seem > to be assu

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Daniel Hollocher
If this conversation is to be had, can we take it in a direction that isn't a flame war? On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/08/08 11:25 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: > > >> On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: > > >>> Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/08/08 11:25 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. Now reach out and grab the mouse. Where does the pointer end up? It ends up in the middle

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: > Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. > > Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. > > Now reach out and grab the mouse. > > Where does the pointer end up? It ends up in the middle of the scr

Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread John Moser
Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. Now reach out and grab the mouse. Where does the pointer end up? If it winds up in the top right of your screen, it seems you're right handed. Your arm just goes that way, and your wrist straightens t