Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Robie Basak
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:23:37AM -0500, John Moser wrote: OK further research yields that Debian is not updating Sid due to feature freeze for Testing. However, Mathisain notes this: On the other hand, the master packaging branch at

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Robie Basak robie.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:23:37AM -0500, John Moser wrote: OK further research yields that Debian is not updating Sid due to feature freeze for Testing. However, Mathisain notes this: On the other hand, the master

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Alec Warner anta...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Robie Basak robie.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:23:37AM -0500, John Moser wrote: OK further research yields that Debian is not updating Sid due to Can we see this

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Robie Basak
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:55:30AM -0800, Alec Warner wrote: I'm just trying to identify if there are any cases where it could be painful for users to find that puppet has been updated, for any reasonable upgrade path. Are there any complications that I haven't thought of, or would

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:07 AM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Alec Warner anta...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Robie Basak robie.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:23:37AM -0500, John Moser wrote: OK

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Alec Warner anta...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:07 AM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: I have no sympathy for the use case of running your Puppetmaster as LTS and expecting the next five years of Ubuntu releases to hold back updating

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note, Puppet 3.1 came out ... yesterday. So next debate: 3.0.2 or 3.1 into Debian experimental? (I've been trying to get it brought in) If it were me, I would rather fight to upgrade once, not twice. 3.1

kexec and Grub

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
Has anyone gotten Grub2 to load via Linux Kexec? It used to be possible to kexec grub.exe for some reason. I have been tasked tonight to reboot a very critical production server during a short window. It's long enough, but at the moment our big issue is that the reboot will be somewhere between

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note, Puppet 3.1 came out ... yesterday. So next debate: 3.0.2 or 3.1 into Debian experimental? (I've been trying to get it

Re: kexec and Grub

2013-02-05 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-02-05 16:07 (GMT-0500) John Moser composed: Has anyone gotten Grub2 to load via Linux Kexec? It used to be possible to kexec grub.exe for some reason. This question makes me think either you haven't read the kexec man page, or one of misunderstands it. Why need any bootloader be

Re: kexec and Grub

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2013-02-05 16:07 (GMT-0500) John Moser composed: Has anyone gotten Grub2 to load via Linux Kexec? It used to be possible to kexec grub.exe for some reason. This question makes me think either you haven't read the

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: I work in a place without staging, and we desperately need it, and I am becoming slowly more aggressive and will be making arguments after I torch

Re: kexec and Grub

2013-02-05 Thread Felix Miata
John Moser composed: Kexec ... Nobody uses it. Only rather recently did openSUSE stop using it by default to first-boot a newly installed system. Maybe a look at how this was done would be helpful. On 2013-02-05 16:58 (GMT-0500) John Moser composed: ... SOLUTION B: - Load Grub into

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Alec Warner anta...@google.com wrote: Last time I checked, it took a human to actually dist-upgrade (to go from 2.7 to 3.0...) What you expect and what everybody and their mother does are two different things. Are people really doing that and not expecting

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On 02/05/2013 07:45 PM, Ryan Tandy wrote: John Moser john.r.moser at gmail.com writes: 2. Convince Ubuntu to put the newest Puppetmaster in Backports. I am not advocating this either. Slightly off-topic, but FWIW I would be happy to see raring's puppet (whatever version that ends up

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/05/2013 07:45 PM, Ryan Tandy wrote: John Moser john.r.moser at gmail.com writes: 2. Convince Ubuntu to put the newest Puppetmaster in Backports. I am not advocating this either. Slightly off-topic, but FWIW

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread John Moser
On 02/05/2013 07:58 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/05/2013 07:45 PM, Ryan Tandy wrote: John Moser john.r.moser at gmail.com writes: 2. Convince Ubuntu to put the newest Puppetmaster in Backports. I am not

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-02-05 Thread Micah Gersten
On 02/05/2013 06:45 PM, Ryan Tandy wrote: John Moser john.r.moser at gmail.com writes: 2. Convince Ubuntu to put the newest Puppetmaster in Backports. I am not advocating this either. Slightly off-topic, but FWIW I would be happy to see raring's puppet (whatever version that ends up being)