"Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-05 Thread Cory K.
Ubuntu Studio has decided to add a keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor. Most windows users see this as a equivalent to Ctrl+Alt+Del. That is of course already mapped and launches the logout dialog. So we decided to use the keys KDE uses to launch their monitor. Ctrl+Esc. This works out great in

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-06 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
Can super+escape work? I thought Compiz only freaked out if the key combo was already in use, but using the modifiers otherwise didn't matter. On Feb 5, 2008 5:43 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ubuntu Studio has decided to add a keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor. > > Most windows u

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-06 Thread Cory K.
Cory K. wrote: > Ubuntu Studio has decided to add a keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor. > > Most windows users see this as a equivalent to Ctrl+Alt+Del. That is of > course already mapped and launches the logout dialog. So we decided to > use the keys KDE uses to launch their monitor. Ctrl+Esc.

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-06 Thread Evan
I'm sure this debate has gone on before, but I'm in favour of stopping Ctrl-Alt-Backspace from killing X because new users can press this by accident. That combo would work if it was freed from its present duty. Evan On 2/6/08, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cory K. wrote: > > Ubuntu Stud

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-06 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wednesday 06 February 2008 14:49:57 Evan wrote: > I'm sure this debate has gone on before, but I'm in favour of stopping > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace from killing X because new users can press this by > accident. That combo would work if it was freed from its present duty. > > Evan > What key map woul

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2008-02-06 at 15:49 -0500, Evan wrote: > I'm sure this debate has gone on before, but I'm in favour of stopping > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace from killing X because new users can press this by > accident. That combo would work if it was freed from its present duty. Er, would that not be a colossall

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Evan
The original argument about this went something like: - Killing X is dangerous, and unknown to users from other OSes. People hitting it by accident (trying to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, for example), can cause damage to their systems etc. - But somethimes it's the only way to get rid of a crashed full-

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Caroline Ford
On 07/02/2008, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The original argument about this went something like: > > > - Killing X is dangerous, and unknown to users from other OSes. People > hitting it by accident (trying to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, for example), can > cause damage to their systems etc. > >

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Cory K.
Ok. As this has yet again descended into off-topic debate, and nobody has actually given an answer to this question I'm gonna close the issue for us. Ubuntu Studio will set Escape to launch gnome-system-monitor in Metacity but this will not work in Compiz because of the way they do things. Oh well

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Jan Claeys
Op donderdag 07-02-2008 om 17:18 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Mackenzie Morgan: > On Feb 7, 2008 3:46 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - We really ought to have a way to kill a single app, rather than the full > > X server > That's what xkill is for. Hit alt+f2 to get a runbox, then ty

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Feb 7, 2008 3:46 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - We really ought to have a way to kill a single app, rather than the full > X server > > That's what xkill is for. Hit alt+f2 to get a runbox, then type xkill and your mouse turns into a skull and crossbones. Click on what you want to ki

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-07 Thread Jonathan Musther
Could we use Ctrl+Alt+Del? I know what it does on the command line, but (I don't want to try it right now thanks) does it also cause a reboot if you do it in Gnome? And if we can't use that, can't we think of something else, like Ctrl+F12 or Ctrl+Break... surely there are lots of possible ke

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 07/02/2008 Evan wrote: > - Killing X is dangerous, and unknown to users from other OSes. People > hitting it by accident (trying to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, for example), can > cause damage to their systems etc. > > - But somethimes it's the only way to get rid of a crashed full-screen app It's al

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread A. Walton
On Feb 8, 2008 1:51 PM, Denis Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 13:40 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > > I don't see any similarity between those two keyboard > > shortcuts, but > > that's probably because I don't think as if I live in the US?

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Denis Washington
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 13:40 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > I don't see any similarity between those two keyboard > shortcuts, but > that's probably because I don't think as if I live in the US? > ;-) > > American keyboards put `/~ next to the 1, so it's just b

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 08-02-2008 om 12:22 uur [tijdzone +1300], schreef Jonathan Musther: > Could we use Ctrl+Alt+Del? I know what it does on the command line, > but (I don't want to try it right now thanks) does it also cause a > reboot if you do it in Gnome? No, it launches the logoff/lock-screen/reboot/s

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Feb 8, 2008 1:34 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As for an accelerator to use for this, pick one, stick with it. > > Ctrl+Alt+` would be my first suggestion, as it's similar to > > Ctrl+Escape, yet less likely to hit on accident by including Alt. If > > that doesn't work, well, fu

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 08-02-2008 om 12:53 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef A. Walton: > On Feb 8, 2008 12:32 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First of all: why do you need this shortcut for 'gnome-system-monitor'? > > I guess most people don't understand why this is so important, but I'm > > sure th

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2008-02-08 at 12:53 -0500, A. Walton wrote: > I could see a use, as this is Ubuntu Studio and not Ubuntu; music > producers often need to check CPU usage of their software, and avoid > pegging the CPU to avoid nasty pops, cracks and hisses caused by > hardware hiccups. While some utilities

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread A. Walton
On Feb 8, 2008 1:30 PM, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On pe, 2008-02-08 at 12:53 -0500, A. Walton wrote: > > I could see a use, as this is Ubuntu Studio and not Ubuntu; music > > producers often need to check CPU usage of their software, and avoid > > pegging the CPU to avoid nasty

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread Jan Claeys
Op donderdag 07-02-2008 om 17:38 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Cory K.: > Ok. As this has yet again descended into off-topic debate, and nobody > has actually given an answer to this question I'm gonna close the > issue for us. > > Ubuntu Studio will set Escape to launch gnome-system-monitor > in

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-08 Thread A. Walton
On Feb 8, 2008 12:32 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op donderdag 07-02-2008 om 17:38 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Cory K.: > > Ok. As this has yet again descended into off-topic debate, and nobody > > has actually given an answer to this question I'm gonna close the > > issue for us.

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-09 Thread Evan
It is only a keybinding, so as long as people can change it, then the default doesn't matter all that much. The only problem with the concept at the moment is that people will expect it to work during full-screen apps like Ctrl-Alt-Delete does in windows. It doesn't at the moment because SDL and op

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-09 Thread Jonathan Musther
Doesn't xorg hold some keybindings? I thought Ctrl+Alt+Backspace worked to kill X in full screen apps, I'm sure I've used it in games. One thing we really do need is a way to easily make new keybindings. The existing gnome keyboard shortcuts GUI is fine, but it doesn't allow you to add them. Wh

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-09 Thread Evan
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is the only keyboard control that x locks, and it kills x completely. There is no way to kill only the crashed full-screen app. Non-fullscreen apps can be killed with xkill or others, but when an app grabs the entire keyboard and crashes, it's Ctrl-Alt-Backspace or a hard power-o

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-09 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
For some reason, I think Compiz's "unredirect fullscreen" setting lets Compiz get keyboard combos even while using a fullscreen app. I don't have it installed here, so I can't try, but I think I could open an xterm while running Battle for Wesnoth. On Feb 9, 2008 3:17 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-09 Thread Milan
Cory K. a écrit : > Ubuntu Studio has decided to add a keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor. > > Most windows users see this as a equivalent to Ctrl+Alt+Del. That is of > course already mapped and launches the logout dialog. So we decided to > use the keys KDE uses to launch their monitor. Ctrl+Es

Re: "Make sense" keymap to launch gnome-system-monitor?

2008-02-14 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 08 February 2008 17:53:46 A. Walton wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 12:32 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First of all: why do you need this shortcut for 'gnome-system-monitor'? > > I guess most people don't understand why this is so im