Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu technical board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff to avoid regressions. This experience has been quiet painful for me and I suspect there is other

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Null Ack
So in essence Scott, due to what you've highlighted as a lack of testing input during the pre production lifecycle phases, your suggesting that end users should endure the brunt of testing? As Ubuntu needs to move forward rapidly, being cutting edge and cant be so highly concerned with the risk of

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 00:53 +1100, Null Ack wrote: So in essence Scott, due to what you've highlighted as a lack of testing input during the pre production lifecycle phases, your suggesting that end users should endure the brunt of testing? As Ubuntu needs to move forward rapidly, being

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Olsson
Scott James Remnant wrote: It's not that simple, in fact I'd go as far to say that we should never adopt new things is a very dangerous position to take. Thanks for posting, James. There were many excellent points in your reply. After reading it, I do agree with you. However, I will probably

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 10.02.2009 um 14:33 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:53 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: PS. I think Lennart is doing a _terrific_ job; I'm hoping Ubuntu technical board understands the need to be careful about merging new stuff to avoid regressions. This experience

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to have a look at other distros to get an idea on

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
Scott, Scott James Remnant escreveu: For those that need utmost stability, we have Long Term Support releases every couple of years; we put extra effort into bug fixing for these, and try to avoid any large subsystem changes. and yet, pulseaudio was introduced in Hardy, the LTS release. I

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 14:13 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: Yes, we won't get to every single bug report filed; there are many tens of thousands more users testing jaunty early than there are developers who can fix the bugs. And that leads to... If you're someone that knows C and currently

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 10.02.2009 um 16:35 schrieb Scott James Remnant: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous technology. Perhaps you want to

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:35:50 + Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:31 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Undoubtly, efforts to avoid regressions are a very good thing. One possible solution is to offer the possibility to roll back to or keep the previous

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-10 Thread Dan Chen
--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Felipe Figueiredo phils...@gmail.com wrote: I just join the choir in the PulseAudio argument, in that it was introduced (IMHO) in Ubuntu 6 months ahead of schedule. Even if it were introduced prematurely[0], there is no sense in backing it out as a default in 8.04.3. What

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-04 Thread Martin Olsson
Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying. Dan Chen wrote: How can you help? Test the jaunty daily-live images for Ubuntu and Kubuntu for starters. I've booted the jaunty live CD from feb 3rd on this machine now, installed skype and the bug persists there. I've filed all the filed, plus a record

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-03 Thread Dan Chen
--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Martin Olsson mn...@minimum.se wrote: When I upgraded my hardy laptop to intrepid I lost audio/mic in Skype: Your bug report is fairly vague with respect to the actual ALSA mixer control settings (i.e., alsamixer -Dhw:0 ) when Skype is attempted. In the future, that

Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-01 Thread Martin Olsson
When I upgraded my hardy laptop to intrepid I lost audio/mic in Skype: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/288269/comments/10 Recently someone posted a comment with some steps that fixed the issue for me:

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 01/02/2009 Martin Olsson wrote: Disclaimer: Yes, Skype is proprietary and that sucks; but due to strong network effects FLOSS is going to have to find a way to deal with this app for some time. There is no point in me installing Ekiga unless it's interoperable with Skype because most

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-01 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Sunday 01 February 2009 7:27:28 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: On 01/02/2009 Martin Olsson wrote: Disclaimer: Yes, Skype is proprietary and that sucks; but due to strong network effects FLOSS is going to have to find a way to deal with this app for some time. There is no point in me

Re: Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

2009-02-01 Thread Darren Albers
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Darren Albers dalb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Martin Olsson mn...@minimum.se wrote: When I upgraded my hardy laptop to intrepid I lost audio/mic in Skype: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/288269/comments/10