Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Martin Olsson
Scott Kitterman wrote: > We'd be flooded with stacks of dupes mostly to existing bugs > and no one to triage, let alone fix them. In their current form dupes are mostly annoying, but what if the apport was redesigned so that it had a "production mode" where it only bumped a counter on the origina

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-11-14 kello 12:36 +0100, Martin Pitt kirjoitti: > Problem is that in order to do that, we need to catch the initial > crash first and write it to disk, i. e. we would get the CPU/IO > overhead again by default. That alone doesn't worry me too much, but > it might be an issue in certain env

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Martin Pitt
Scott Kitterman [2008-11-14 5:46 -0500]: > I do think if there's a reasonable way to report all crashes from > -proposed, that would be a good thing. I agree. With a bit of apt-cache policy magic we can detect this on the client side. Problem is that in order to do that, we need to catch the in

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:44:00 +0100 Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Am 14.11.2008 um 03:25 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > >> Perhaps Apport could be taught to roll the dice and return crash >> reports in >> some fraction of cases post-release (perhaps 5 or 10 percent). >> This would >>

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:51:53 + "Matthew East" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have heard people discuss post-release regressions due to SRU/security >> updates. I was chatting with another developer last night who sa

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-14 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 14.11.2008 um 03:25 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > Perhaps Apport could be taught to roll the dice and return crash > reports in > some fraction of cases post-release (perhaps 5 or 10 percent). > This would > help us catch regressions. I don't see a reason why Apport is automatically switche

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Matthew East
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have heard people discuss post-release regressions due to SRU/security > updates. I was chatting with another developer last night who said he'd > found Hardy very stable at release and less so as it got updated. > > P

Re: Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:48:40 +0100 Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Markus Hitter [2008-11-13 11:56 +0100]: >> While we can't "fix" developers, we can put more automatic helpers >> into place: >> >> - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't >> help. > >We don

Apport in stable releases [was: Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list]

2008-11-13 Thread Martin Pitt
Markus Hitter [2008-11-13 11:56 +0100]: > While we can't "fix" developers, we can put more automatic helpers > into place: > > - Keep Apport enabled even on stable releases. Hiding bugs doesn't > help. We don't disable Apport in stable releases because we want to hide bugs. The reasons are,