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Subject: Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into
separate partition during ubuntu install
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca
wrote:
Hello,
I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead
Phillip Susi schreef op zo 26-12-2010 om 10:55 [-0500]:
This is what manual partitioning is for. Also /home can not be on
NTFS since it does not support ownership and permissions.
Actually, NTFS does support ownership permissions, but it's somewhat
complicated to configure/use it like that.
On 1/7/2011 12:46 PM, Jan Claeys wrote:
Actually, NTFS does support ownership permissions, but it's somewhat
complicated to configure/use it like that.
MS reserved space to hold a posix uid/gid and mode so they can run an
NFS server, but it is not supported by the Linux driver.
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Phillip Susi schreef op vr 07-01-2011 om 15:30 [-0500]:
On 1/7/2011 12:46 PM, Jan Claeys wrote:
Actually, NTFS does support ownership permissions, but it's somewhat
complicated to configure/use it like that.
MS reserved space to hold a posix uid/gid and mode so they can run an
NFS
On 01/07/2011 09:38 PM, Jan Claeys wrote:
Since some time ntfs-3g supports mapping between Windows and POSIX users
and permissions though:
http://www.tuxera.com/ntfs/release-ntfs-3g-2009-11-14/
Oh, neat. If you set up these mapping tables, then maybe you COULD use
NTFS for /home or even /.
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.cawrote:
Hello Phill,
I think you can compare the benefit of having user folder on a separate
partition to users having a backup.
Most of the time a user does not need the backup. But when the
unforeseen event occurs that
Hi,
I've read the article on Theregister and I did not like how he made his
point, it's journalism. Any way for the separate partition thing there
is some points.
1. Where is you D drive?
2. What if the user wanted to change the OS?
3. Which get broken more often, file-system or Hard-drive?
4.
Hello João,
Thank you for your response.
I agree with you that ultimately having proper backup is THE solution
for data loss.
At the same time there are many factors that mitigate data loss. Keep in
mind that data loss is a probabilistic event, and you want to increase
the odds in your
Hiyas Daniel,
I'd also like to see the simple ability to make (and recommend) a /home
partion rather than ask a n00b to delve into the tender mercies of manual
partitioning. Hopefully, one day the dev team may catch their breath and
incorporate it. :)
Regards,
Phill.
On 26 December 2010 13:20,
On 26 December 2010 10:55, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
This is what manual partitioning is for. Also /home can not be on NTFS
since it does not support ownership and permissions.
Well, yes and no: manual partitioning is for advanced users who know
what they are doing. The fact that
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com wrote:
This is an important point. The 'average' user isn't going to be able to
take
advantage of a separate home partition, even if the installer does it
automatically for them. Reinstalling while preserving user data is
already
Hi Joao,
the same would apply to the option of encrypting their home area, which is
on the install CD and causes no end of grief on support. They get the option
of that, but not a seperate /home partition? Bearing in mind we are dealing
mostly with Windows users, is the encryption part really
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
Hi Joao,
the same would apply to the option of encrypting their home area, which is
on the install CD and causes no end of grief on support. They get the option
of that, but not a seperate /home partition? Bearing in
Hello Phill,
I think you can compare the benefit of having user folder on a separate
partition to users having a backup.
Most of the time a user does not need the backup. But when the
unforeseen event occurs that requires a restore, then those users who
have a backup will clearly benefit.
Hello
I just had a really bad experience while working with Ubuntu 10.10,
which suggested to me another reason for having a separate home folder.
My ext4 boot partition with all my data became inaccessible -- not
mountable, not checkable, only
accessible via dd or ddrescue, but the data coming
This is what manual partitioning is for. Also /home can not be on NTFS
since it does not support ownership and permissions.
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Hi,
I think the Idea is great. Ubuntu already create a separate partition
for swap. in case of troubles it's much easier to recover your data.
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
This is what manual partitioning is for. Also /home can not be on NTFS
since it
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Daniel Hollocher wrote on 05/11/10 15:20:
That is a common misconception. Reinstalling Ubuntu on the same
partition doesn't lose the user's data either.
A problem that is both real and more interesting, is working out why
so many people have
On my former Lenovo notebook windows xp pro installation, Lenovo added a
feature called rejuvenate system, which restores windows xp to a
baseline installation (the first backup snapshot of the system taken),
while keeping all data files intact --presumably whatever is stored in
My documents.
Is
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca wrote:
Hello Matthew,
I wonder whether the definition of user data is well understood. Does it
include all configuration data of installed packages? Does it include
data stored in non-standard locations? What about user
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
A problem that is both real and more interesting, is working out why
so
many people have that misconception, and how we can correct it.
Add to ubiquity the information when it sees an existing ubuntu
installation.
Right now the
Hello Matthew,
I wonder whether the definition of user data is well understood. Does it
include all configuration data of installed packages? Does it include
data stored in non-standard locations? What about user data stored by
different applications? Do all applications behave and place their
That is a common misconception. Reinstalling Ubuntu on the same
partition doesn't lose the user's data either.
A problem that is both real and more interesting, is working out why so
many people have that misconception, and how we can correct it.
Is this really a misconception? I thought
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Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01:
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It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home
folder from the boot partition to a data partition. Ideally, the
tool would support creating a data partition by resizing the boot
You're right, I had no idea that feature existed.
Why doesn't it just reinstall when you go to upgrade?
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote:
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Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01:
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It would be great
That is a common misconception. Reinstalling Ubuntu on the same
partition doesn't lose the user's data either.
A problem that is both real and more interesting, is working out why so
many people have that misconception, and how we can correct it.
Is this really a misconception? I thought
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Hollocher
danielholloc...@gmail.com wrote:
That is a common misconception. Reinstalling Ubuntu on the same
partition doesn't lose the user's data either.
A problem that is both real and more interesting, is working out why so
many people have that
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01:
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It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home
folder from the boot partition to a data partition. Ideally, the
tool
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 01:39:09PM -0700, George Farris wrote:
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01:
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It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0700
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 01:39:09PM -0700, George Farris wrote:
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:19:54 -0600
Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0700
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 01:39:09PM -0700, George Farris wrote:
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0700
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
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As you would if you chose to do a fresh install or to install a different
distro.
I believe the default now
2010/10/28 Aurélien Naldi aurelien.na...@gmail.com
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:34 AM, 李白|字一日 calid...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/10/28 Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca
wrote:
The main benefit for such a setup, is
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:33:30 +0200, Aur?lien Naldi aurelien.na...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you want to keep installed packages, you can upgrade instead of
installing from scratch (if you don't skip a version or if you go from
LTS to LTS, otherwise it may be painful).
I'd like to just raise a paw
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Davyd McColl dav...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:33:30 +0200, Aur?lien Naldi
aurelien.na...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to keep installed packages, you can upgrade instead of
installing from scratch (if you don't skip a version or if you go from
+1
2010/10/28 Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca
Hello,
I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead
of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM).
It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder
from the boot partition to a
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca wrote:
Hello,
I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead
of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM).
Congrats :)
It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home
2010/10/28 Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca
wrote:
Hello,
I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead
of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM).
Congrats :)
It would be great
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:34 AM, 李白|字一日 calid...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/10/28 Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca
wrote:
The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu
without loosing the users
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