Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:16:30 +1100
From: Kyle Amadio kyle.ama...@itvss.com.au
Subject: Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'
To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
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Just for FUN I did a Fedora 12 install of Gnome and KDE.
Must say that Ubuntu is dead simple and fast. Fedora was nearly easy but
for some reason it just does not flow like Ubuntu's does.
Leave the installer alone it is simple and fast.
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For what it's worth, my vote is that gparted should be included as part of
the installer. Everything else though seems fine.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Kyle Amadio kyle.ama...@itvss.com.auwrote:
Just for FUN I did a Fedora 12 install of Gnome and KDE.
Must say that Ubuntu is dead simple
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 21:54 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
James Westby wrote:
On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote:
List some not-silly reasons.
You're serious? Ok.
* Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary
and
more than a few
I'm picturing a single dialog with an overview of the current values and
options to change them. The fields I've marked as buttons would have the
current value as the button text so the user only has to click the value to
change it.
Language: [English (US)] (this would be a droplist)
Location:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:27 AM, James Westby jw+deb...@jameswestby.net wrote:
* It's a feature of dubious value to begin with. After it had taken some
time doing its thing you would need to have the user type in the password
anyway to confirm (you can't assume, and you can't really show
I think the issue is that you need to have the user enter the password
anyway, for the users sake. The user needs to know and remember the
password, which is why the installer asks twice already.
The original idea was to use the windows password so the user doesn't
need to be asked during
I agree with Daniel that combining all the screens goes to far, but I sort
of like the concept behind Ryan's single-screen dialogue. How about
something like this:
Screen 1: Welcome
Brief welcome message.
Language - From what they chose at boot, dropdown list.
Keyboard - Autodetected as it
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Hollocher
danielholloc...@gmail.com wrote:
password. Any sort of password automation would simplify the
situation for a few people at the expense of making it more
complicated for the rest of us. The level of encryption doesn't seem
to matter.
OK. The
One of my pet peeves with the installer is how long it takes to detect the
partitioning...and redetect it every...single...operation...so...slowly.
My suggestion is that GParted be used to handle this. In fact I often use
that to do the partitioning BEFORE I do the installer because I don't want
I'm not sure if I like this proposal -- I believe splitting things up into
small steps makes it easier on the user. For one thing, the first questions
we ask are the language and the keyboard layout, which are essential to the
user's understanding of the rest of the installer. Many users won't set
In fact, the Ubuntu installer used to use an embedded GParted editing box. I
much preferred that to the current setup.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote:
One of my pet peeves with the installer is how long it takes to detect the
partitioning...and redetect it
Op zondag 29-11-2009 om 00:47 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef John
McCabe-Dansted:
There are also algorithms for extracting the password from XP as
well...
XP passwords are compared to hashes, and you can't extract the password
from a hash.
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2009/11/30 Jan Claeys li...@janc.be:
Op zondag 29-11-2009 om 00:47 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef John
McCabe-Dansted:
There are also algorithms for extracting the password from XP as
well...
XP passwords are compared to hashes, and you can't extract the password
from a hash.
There are
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Matt Wheeler m...@funkyhat.org wrote:
2009/11/30 Jan Claeys li...@janc.be:
Op zondag 29-11-2009 om 00:47 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef John
McCabe-Dansted:
There are also algorithms for extracting the password from XP as
well...
XP passwords are compared to
With regards to cracking tools being bad, I imagine they do come in handy
during security audits.
If there's going to be hacking tools out there anyway, the good guys may as
well have them too, since you can't really take them away from the bad guys.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Moser
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote:
With regards to cracking tools being bad, I imagine they do come in handy
during security audits.
If there's going to be hacking tools out there anyway, the good guys may as
well have them too, since you can't really take them
2009/11/30 John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com:
List some not-silly reasons. Because people could use it for
theoretical/practicable attacks is not a reason, because 1) you could
decline to reveal the password (but allow verification); and 2) there
are other tools for this that are just as
On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote:
List some not-silly reasons.
You're serious? Ok.
* Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary and
more than a few characters long.
* Rainbow tables would be too large to fit on the CD.
* We can't know
2009/11/30 James Westby jw+deb...@jameswestby.net:
On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote:
List some not-silly reasons.
You're serious? Ok.
* Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary and
more than a few characters long.
* Rainbow tables would be
James Westby wrote:
On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote:
List some not-silly reasons.
You're serious? Ok.
* Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary
and
more than a few characters long.
* Rainbow tables would be too large to fit on
I just read the article The Un-Scary Screwdriver on
http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver (via
http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php) and the first part jumped out at
me:
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One early spring day as we were walking home from the bakery on the
corner, we passed by a
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Conrad Knauer ath...@gmail.com wrote:
...
If the user is connected to the internet, might it be possible to
guess their physical location (e.g. for time zone) by IP address?
(http://www.tracemyip.org/ seems to be able to :) as most people will
want to install
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