RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2012-01-17 Thread nick rundy
13 Dec 2011 14:24:38 +1100 > From: them...@ubuntu.com > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 01:33:11PM EST, nick rundy wrote: > > Here's a link to a thread that was posted to

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-12-13 Thread James Freer
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Allison Randal wrote: > On 12/13/2011 12:11 AM, James Freer wrote: >> After reading the following posts i wanted to raise the release issue. >> It seems that staff are under  a lot of pressure to deliver the 6 >> month releases as well as LTS. I've been using Ubunt

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-12-13 Thread Allison Randal
On 12/13/2011 12:11 AM, James Freer wrote: > After reading the following posts i wanted to raise the release issue. > It seems that staff are under a lot of pressure to deliver the 6 > month releases as well as LTS. I've been using Ubuntu for about 5 yrs > and it seems that quality varies between

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-12-13 Thread James Freer
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:15 AM, nick rundy wrote: > Canonical/Ubuntu, please don't feel obligated to release Precise Pangolin in > April 2012. A delayed release would strengthen stability and allow more bugs > to be fixed in both Unity and GNOME 3.2. > > Considering the "long-lived" nature of an

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-12-12 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 01:33:11PM EST, nick rundy wrote: > Here's a link to a thread that was posted today on Ubuntu Forums arguing that > Precise Pangolin should be delayed long enough to incorporate the 3.3 Linux > kernel into the release. The argument being that the 3.3 kernel will resolve >

RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-12-12 Thread nick rundy
Here's a link to a thread that was posted today on Ubuntu Forums arguing that Precise Pangolin should be delayed long enough to incorporate the 3.3 Linux kernel into the release. The argument being that the 3.3 kernel will resolve many more graphical and power bugs than the 3.2 kernel can.

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-20 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/10/19 Dustin Kirkland : > The 12.04.1 (the first of the "dot" releases") is scheduled for 23 > August 2012, which is about 4 months after the 12.04 release (26 April > 2012).  The "dot" release is, in fact, a bug-fix and > hardware-enablement only release cycle.  Realistically, some > enterpri

RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 à 16:43 +0200, Rodrigo Moya a écrit : > Usually, the x.x.1 release of GNOME is much better, since it includes > lots of fixes for lots of issues as people start using the final > stable release in their distros. To be fair we always had our schedule adapted to include

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 19 October 2011 10:58, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: > In this case, the LTS release will be after the  x.x.1 release of > GNOME, but not by much. GNOME 3.4.1 is scheduled for April 18th [0]. > 12.04 is scheduled for April 26th, but the Release Candidate is > scheduled for April 19th [1]. > >

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Allison Randal
On 10/19/2011 06:02 AM, nick rundy wrote: > Put the "rapid release" schedule > on hold temporarily and make an LTS that fixes this stuff. You'll be pleased to know that bug fixing and quality improvements are precisely what people are focusing on for the LTS. You won't see much in the way of new f

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > I really think a bit more of time between the GNOME releases and the > Ubuntu final release would help a lot in cleaning lots of these bugs. > Usually, the x.x.1 release of GNOME is much better, since it includes > lots of fixes for lots of i

RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On mié, 2011-10-19 at 09:02 -0400, nick rundy wrote: > I appreciate your e-mail, Martin :) > > > * These types of bugs are too big/complex for quick patches and too > > small or unimportant for critical attention. > > This is what I'm getting at. I don't doubt this is true. However, > fixing thi

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:15 PM, nick rundy wrote: > Canonical/Ubuntu, please don't feel obligated to release Precise Pangolin in > April 2012. A delayed release would strengthen stability and allow more bugs > to be fixed in both Unity and GNOME 3.2. > > Considering the "long-lived" nature of an

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Evan Huus
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hi Joseph > > On 11-10-19 12:21 AM, Joseph Toppi wrote: >> Because no one else seemed willing to check, compact view does remove the >> needless amount of margin, but also switches to a more list-like look and >> changes the s

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Joseph On 11-10-19 12:21 AM, Joseph Toppi wrote: > Because no one else seemed willing to check, compact view does remove the > needless amount of margin, but also switches to a more list-like look and > changes the scrolling to horizontal. I checked in Nautilus 2.32.2.1 the > version that ships

RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-19 Thread nick rundy
an truly begin to tackle Bug #1. It's going to be an LTS that takes on Windows, not one of the 6-month releases. > Subject: Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin > From: docto...@gmail.com > To: nru...@hotmail.com > CC: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tue, 18

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-18 Thread Joseph Toppi
I really do think bugs will hurt the long term health of the project. Up through 11.04 I had always gotten a few bugfixes with each upgrade. I had a few random bugs that I was living with, but for the most part everything worked. I had 3d acceleration with my nvidia card, I could use a second monit

Re: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin

2011-10-18 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 22:15 -0400, nick rundy wrote: > Yet the bug has existed for more than 3 years. Sadly, the same can be > said for many other bugs. To be fair to the bug: * No one answered the question 'did you try compact layout' * Nautilus is a 'special' codebase which I wouldn't want to