Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Evan
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Louis Simard wrote: > At 2010-08-13 08:39 GMT, Joshua Timberman wrote: >> Hello! >> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Micah Gersten wrote: >> >>> Because sensible defaults are necessary.  You get your choice of Apache >>> or something else.  If you selected another

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Louis Simard
At 2010-08-13 08:39 GMT, Joshua Timberman wrote: > Hello! > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Micah Gersten wrote: > >> Because sensible defaults are necessary.  You get your choice of Apache >> or something else.  If you selected another httpd on install and php5 >> dragged in apache, that might qu

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Joshua Timberman
Hello! On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Micah Gersten wrote: > Because sensible defaults are necessary. You get your choice of Apache > or something else. If you selected another httpd on install and php5 > dragged in apache, that might qualify as a bug. If you selected > nothing, well you get

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Micah Gersten
Ccing the list back On 08/13/2010 02:31 AM, Harry Strongburg wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Micah Gersten > wrote: > > On 08/13/2010 02:06 AM, Harry Strongburg wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Martin > Pittmailto:martin.p...@ubuntu.com>

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Micah Gersten
On 08/13/2010 02:06 AM, Harry Strongburg wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: >> php5 installs everything related to PHP, which includes the web server >> module. If you only want the command line interpreter, but none of the >> web stuff, just install php5-cli instead. But

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-13 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > php5 installs everything related to PHP, which includes the web server > module. If you only want the command line interpreter, but none of the > web stuff, just install php5-cli instead. But I dare to claim that > most people who want PHP actu

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Although, In Harry's defence I'd like to point out that using tasksel for a LAMP installation does at least give you a choice of apache2 or lightpd. So, php should not really be dragging anything in as a 'depends'. Those wishing to install LAMP can do so quite easily. Regards, Phill. On Fri, Au

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Harry, Harry Strongburg [2010-08-13 4:55 +]: > I found out why though, it's packaged with php5, which is also > pretty stupid to do. If a user installs PHP, they should also > install any httpd they want. Not Apache automatically. php5 installs everything related to PHP, which includes

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 03:55:24AM +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote: > Not wishing to get involved in arguments, but an LTS is just that. As apache > is the major market of hhtp [1] it is imprortant for LTS that it will be > able to be supported for five years. This would not be possible with > apach

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Harry Strongburg" wrote: >On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 09:34:24PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> It's not in the default install. Look at the output of aptitude why >> apache2-mpm-prefork to see what pulled it in. > >So it just happened to have been auto-installed on all the boxes I upgraded >

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi, Not wishing to get involved in arguments, but an LTS is just that. As apache is the major market of hhtp [1] it is imprortant for LTS that it will be able to be supported for five years. This would not be possible with apache1. Regards, Phill [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 09:34:24PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > It's not in the default install. Look at the output of aptitude why > apache2-mpm-prefork to see what pulled it in. So it just happened to have been auto-installed on all the boxes I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04? That's weird. H

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Harry Strongburg" wrote: >Why is apache2 in the default Ubuntu install? > >I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 LTS today, and the upgrade procedure installed >Apache2 onto my box, even though I have had it autoremoved for a long time. >It also did this on another server I upgraded, and that server

Re: Apache2 in default Ubuntu install

2010-08-12 Thread Krenar Qehaja
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Harry Strongburg wrote: > Why is apache2 in the default Ubuntu install? > It is not AFAIK. I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 LTS today, and the upgrade procedure installed > Apache2 onto my box, even though I have had it autoremoved for a long time. > You might have