Re: kernel scheduler (was Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions)

2008-11-09 Thread John Dong
As listed, the choices are noop, anticipatory, deadline, and cfq. Kernel gurus look away as I try to explain this, lest you risk dying a bit (or a lot) on the inside The default is CFQ which tries to separate IO requests by priority classes, and then provides fair timeslices to each process

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-07 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:03:19AM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Well, newer gcc's are meant to produce faster code, aren't they? Faster code? No, GCC doesn't rewrite code. Streamline the compiled binary to make efficient use of system calls? Yes. Different GCC versions can have dramatic effects

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-07 Thread Timo Jyrinki
I wonder how this discussion is able to drift so much away from the actual subject on both ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss. Many people do not want to believe results or just point out one or two of them are meaningless (like NVIDIA graphics performance with closed drivers is not that

Re: kernel scheduler (was Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions)

2008-11-07 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Scott e a todos. On Thursday 06 November 2008 22:44:17 Scott James Remnant wrote: Also you can just fiddle on a per-disk basis, e.g.: echo -n deadline /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler What other options are there, and in which cases can/should them be used? Currenctly this is what I hae

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-07 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott James Remnant wrote on 06/11/08 22:44: ... I've always thought it would be interesting to be able to influence the scheduler on a per process basis - and do that from the Window Manager. ie. deliberately give the user's foreground process the

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-07 Thread Sam Tygier
Markus Hitter wrote: Am 06.11.2008 um 20:21 schrieb Dan Colish: They're using very different gcc versions between the os's. Well, newer gcc's are meant to produce faster code, aren't they? Quite a few GCC optimisations are for specific CPUs. 32bit ubuntu uses very conservative options

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-07 Thread Phillip Susi
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott James Remnant wrote on 06/11/08 22:44: ... I've always thought it would be interesting to be able to influence the scheduler on a per process basis - and do that from the Window Manager. ie. deliberately give

Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread mr
Hi, According to the recent benchmarking article by Phoronix, the previous two releases of Ubuntu are significantly slower than Feisty Fawn. In some cases this can be seen as up to 50% performance drop with certain desktop tasks. I can confirm that this is true in that my girlfriends desktop

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Chris Coulson
2008/11/6 mr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, According to the recent benchmarking article by Phoronix, the previous two releases of Ubuntu are significantly slower than Feisty Fawn. In some cases this can be seen as up to 50% performance drop with certain desktop tasks. I can confirm that this is

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 03:58:51PM +0100, mr wrote: Hi, According to the recent benchmarking article by Phoronix, the previous two releases of Ubuntu are significantly slower than Feisty Fawn. In some cases this can be seen as up to 50% performance drop with certain desktop tasks. I can

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Bryce Harrington
Whoops, I thought you were talking about the recent article about -intel performance on x45 chips. But I see you're actually talking about an earlier article about Ubuntu performance in general: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13022 Note that in that article they looked only at the

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Dan Colish
I'm not convined those Phoronix test are really that accurate, especially after reading this one: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=ubuntu_macosxnum=1 It looks like they are not really comparing apples to apples, especially when it comes to java benchmarking. They're using very

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Martin Owens
Anyway, it does look like linux wins in the end. I do not believe that is a good thing; Just because Gnu/Linux can be faster than windows vista doesn't automatically mean we are serving our users well. The good news always comes from the users directly who never complain about slowness. When

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 14:38 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: Anyway, it does look like linux wins in the end. I do not believe that is a good thing; Just because Gnu/Linux can be faster than windows vista doesn't automatically mean we are serving our users well. Yes, the response on /. to

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
Quoting Bryce Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 03:58:51PM +0100, mr wrote: Hi, According to the recent benchmarking article by Phoronix, the previous two releases of Ubuntu are significantly slower than Feisty Fawn. In some cases this can be seen as up to 50%

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Dan Colish
faster than Vista isn't hard, we want it to be faster than XP because remember, that's what most people are running. Why would they switch to Ubuntu if it's going to make their machine slower? I think performance is a very relative term. Slow for games can be great for a database. I am a lot

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 20:41 +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: The disk IO performance decrease from Gutsy to Hardy is anything but anecdotal. This ( http://groups.google.com/group/zumastor/browse_thread/thread/7e413960ddc22811# ) bug report in the Zumastor project has some (quite

Re: Ubuntu 8.10 significantly slower than previous versions

2008-11-06 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 06.11.2008 um 20:21 schrieb Dan Colish: They're using very different gcc versions between the os's. Well, newer gcc's are meant to produce faster code, aren't they? MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss