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Mark Fink schrieb:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
Just FYI: Mark Shuttleworth just replied to the blog post:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/#comment-12124
Canonical has
I think it's ok to facilitate the purchase of codecs to watch content
from the non-free world, but why is the video on the site in a
non-free format?
http://www.canonical.com/netbooks
If you want to work to make sure that open codecs become more widely
adopted, then you should start providing
Mark Fink wrote:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I hope this is wrong or I will have to stop using ubuntu and find
another distro to use. Such a shame...
Mark, Remco
There is (again) absolutely no truth to the rumour that Canonical has
This is what I call very good openness. Hope this continues and a fix to
bug #1 is found soon. :)
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Fink wrote:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I hope this
Mark (Shuttleworth),
You know, I mostly agree with this viewpoint. (I should also point out
that I wasn't really a part of this discussion, as I only commented on
the non-free codec of the video) There is no point in preventing users
from watching their non-free videos legally. And it is probably
Good read, and more elegantly put than the way I said it. One most
look beyond the ultimate goal of total freedom of software and be
pragmatic. Technically, one must follow the law, and proprietary
codecs are too widely used to ignore.
Mark very well summed it up, I need not go on.
On 6/9/08,
Am 09.06.2008 um 21:40 schrieb Remco:
How are their users going to learn about free file formats,
and why it is important? For them it's not even important anymore,
because they can play it anyway. This continues the ruling of the
proprietary codec organizations.
While this problem ist hard
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 19:54 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote:
Sorry for dropping in.
Has there been any mention of Microsoft that they will never, ever sue
anyone who uses Mono nor the Mono developers themselves, or is this
all under the Novell/Microsoft convenant? If they never made such a
Just that Mono implements more than that; surely System.Windows.Forms ist
not part of the ECMA spec? What about Moonlight? It would be a very wise
step to separate the ECMA and non-ECMA parts in the Mono upstream so that if
hard comes to harder, it can be easily removed from the Mono distribution.
I believe all you have to do is hit F6 at Ubuntu's install prompt to
ensure Free Software Only on your computer. This installs only FOSS,
and only enables main and universe repos.
All of a sudden, any 'back room deals' are irrelevant.
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All of a sudden, any 'back room deals' are irrelevant.
I wish people would talk about issues instead of technical solutions
or flaming some mis-informed guy. Anyone care to?
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I don't see what the problem is to solving his dilemma. Whining and
moaning every time someone's binary is placed into code is ridiculous.
Ubuntu still leaves plenty of space and SUPPORT for FULLY OPEN
platforms, such as Gobuntu, working with gNewSense, the F6 option at
install-time, etc. It is
Martin Owens wrote:
I wish people would talk about issues instead of technical solutions
or flaming some mis-informed guy. Anyone care to?
Sure. I'd like to talk about the issue of people who interpret the word
free to mean the way I personally demand that things be...
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Am Samstag, den 07.06.2008, 19:04 -0400 schrieb Mark Fink:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I hope this is wrong or I will have to stop using ubuntu and find
another distro to use. Such a shame...
Hope you are all proud of yourselves.
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 21:50 -0400, Mark Fink wrote:
The problem I have with Canonical making deals with M$ is that it
means that M$ gets to collect a tax from FLOSS. It also opens the door
for Ubuntu itself to become even more tainted by M$ crap than it
already is (MONO).
Roy Schestowitz
No Java is not in the same boat as .Net. There is no open-source version of
.Net released by Microsoft. .Net as a framework is still a proprietary
product of Microsoft. They are letting Mono survive only because of their
Embrace, Extend and Extinguish scheme.
Not so with Java. There is an
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 22:31 +0530, Chandru wrote:
No Java is not in the same boat as .Net. There is no open-source
version of .Net released by Microsoft.
OK, fine, it's in the same boat that Java was in a year ago. Better?
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Yup much better!! But it is more than an year. :D
Also, Java has a much more evolved open-source ecosystem around it. All
those extremely high quality Apache projects. Of course, Java tops among
Sourceforge projects too. It is really unfortunate that Hardy is not
shipping with Java. But yes
Sorry for dropping in.
Has there been any mention of Microsoft that they will never, ever sue
anyone who uses Mono nor the Mono developers themselves, or is this all
under the Novell/Microsoft convenant? If they never made such a statement,
on what else than pure hope that they will never
I guess Novell has some sort of protection through the deal. Because from
what I had read somewhere, there was no mention of Mono in deals wiht others
like Linspire and Xandros but the Novell deal did mention it.
And I have the same doubt as you. Especially the non-ecma parts like Mono's
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:04:02 -0400 Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I hope this is wrong or I will have to stop using ubuntu and find
And just for kicks they annoy their primary user base by providing the
video in MP4 format. Real classy, Canonical.
Remco
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:20:05 -0400 Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:04:02 -0400 Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
[...]
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but no one in their right mind would
| want to run that distro due to the taint for the same reason!
Anybody in their uneducated right mind probably. I run openSUSE and run it
happily I might add. Lets take a breath
It concerns me only that Canonical would think WMV support was
important enough to bother with in this day and age.
The thing with Novell is that they have proven themselves to be wrong
headed when it comes to FOSS. It makes them dangerous and their mono
and silverlight developments are proofs of
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Richard A. Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
[...]
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but no one in their right mind would
| want to run that distro due to the taint for the same reason!
Anybody in their uneducated right
Anybody in their uneducated right mind probably. I run openSUSE and run it
happily I might add. Lets take a breath here and step back from the FUD
button
on your keyboard.
Spoken like a true Microvell shill.
Richard A. Johnson sees no problem with the technicalities of openSuSE
and Mark
On Saturday 07 June 2008 21:18:09 Mark Fink wrote:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Richard A. Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
[...]
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but no one in their right mind would
| want to run that distro due to the
having business dealings with Microsoft.
Who has something useful to say about the real subject?
The problem I have with Canonical making deals with M$ is that it
means that M$ gets to collect a tax from FLOSS. It also opens the door
for Ubuntu itself to become even more tainted by M$ crap than
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008 21:18:09 Mark Fink wrote:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Richard A. Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
[...]
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but
On 2008/06/07 21:18 (GMT-0400) Mark Fink apparently typed:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Richard A. Johnson wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but no one in their right mind would
| want to run that distro due to the taint for the same
On Saturday 07 June 2008 21:53:10 Mark Fink wrote:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008 21:18:09 Mark Fink wrote:
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Richard A. Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark
Trying to censor me?
I see how it is.
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Stefan Potyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
[..]
please stop posting to ubuntu-devel-discuss.
Thanks,
Stefan.
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Mark Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just read this article:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/
I hope this is wrong or I will have to stop using ubuntu and find
another distro to use. Such a shame...
Hope you are all proud of
On Saturday 07 June 2008 21:53:10 Mark Fink wrote:
just because I'm not a programmer doesn't mean my opinion isn't worth
as much or more than yours ...
Forgot to respond to this point ...
Actually it does, sort of. Not that you aren't a programmer. I'm not much of
one myself. That you
On Saturday 07 June 2008 22:05:39 Mark Fink wrote:
top posting fixed - ugh.
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Stefan Potyra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
[..]
please stop posting to ubuntu-devel-discuss.
Thanks,
Stefan.
Trying to censor me?
I see how it is.
It's a polite
I'm not normally subscribed to this list, so excuse my thread-breaking
(sorry!)
I just heard about this on irc
Are you sure they didn't just license them through Fluendo? IRC logs
are not the most reliable source for information and it seems most
likely that they would get the licenses from
Mark Fink wrote:
Roy Schestowitz has a lot of things to say about how Miquel Icaza is
trying to position MONO to destroy FLOSS and now with this codecs
licensing from M$ it just makes me sick.
Yeah, pointless and uninformed propaganda in inappropriate places does
that to me.
Here's what
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