Re: Changes to the Ubuntu Universe Sponsors Administrators team

2008-08-19 Thread Emmet Hikory
Luca Falavigna wrote: Emmet Hikory ha scritto: Consequently, there is now an opening on the team, and volunteers are needed to help with the work. I'd like to volunteer for the role. I'm happy to welcome Luca to the Universe Sponsors Admin team. Luca has been one of the primary

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008, either Michael Bienia or Reinhard Tartler wrote: Perhaps it was not so well communicated in the past else there wouldn't be the confusion leading to that mail. At that time I thought that one had to be a MOTU before one could apply for core-dev. According to the diagram

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Emmet Hikory
Dustin Kirkland wrote: According to the diagram shown here: * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers there is a dotted line between a Prospective Developer and a Core Developer, and a note that this an exceptional case. The more common case is for MOTU to apply for Core Developer

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:58:40 +0900 Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dustin Kirkland wrote: According to the diagram shown here: * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers there is a dotted line between a Prospective Developer and a Core Developer, and a note that this an exceptional

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:31:27PM -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Nicolas Valcarcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently there is no policy about how to make changes in the

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This leads me to the question: what the main point on becoming a MOTU? - is it the next reward for Ubuntu members who work hard on improving Ubuntu (development)? They have good technicals skills and we trust them enough to make them MOTUs (and

Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Neil Wilson
With the Intrepid Feature Freeze deadline fast approaching (August 28th) I thought I'd put out another call for help reviewing the Phusion Passenger package and alterations to the Rubygems package. Without your help reviewing the code, this will not go into Intrepid and Ubuntu will be short of

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also i will suggest to the revu reviewers to ask the packagers to add a patch system on their packages. What did you think about it? Any comments? I think our job as downstreams is to provide patches to Debian, not tell them how to maintain

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is completely integrated with the gem package manager. In Intrepid I would expect users to continue to use gem to install Rails and for that to be

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2008-08-19 20:51:20 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This leads me to the question: what the main point on becoming a MOTU? - is it the next reward for Ubuntu members who work hard on improving Ubuntu (development)? They have good technicals

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Phillip Susi
Reinhard Tartler wrote: I think our job as downstreams is to provide patches to Debian, not tell them how to maintain their packages. Excatly. Please note that adding a patch system to a package that previously didn't adds additional noise in the debdiff. So please, don't. (well,

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-08-19 kello 16:34 -0400, Phillip Susi kirjoitti: I have to disagree. If you are applying patches you must use a patch system to comply with the debian packaging guidelines ( otherwise you modify the .orig.tar.gz and you shouldn't be doing that ). That's not actually correct. The

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-08-19 20:51:20 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Or to put it an other way: what makes a person a MOTU? - is it the membership in the ~motu team (and it's a coincidence

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is completely integrated with the gem package manager. In Intrepid I would

Re: Considering component-specific work when reviewing applications

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:57:29 -0700 Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-08-19 20:51:20 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Michael Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Or to put it an other way: what makes a

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 16:34 -0400, Phillip Susi wrote: I have to disagree. If you are applying patches you must use a patch system to comply with the debian packaging guidelines ( otherwise you modify the .orig.tar.gz and you shouldn't be doing that ). Where did this meme turn up? As Lars

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is

Re: Patch systems in packages

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 16:41, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ti, 2008-08-19 kello 16:34 -0400, Phillip Susi kirjoitti: I have to disagree. If you are applying patches you must use a patch system to comply with the debian packaging guidelines ( otherwise you modify the .orig.tar.gz and you

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the

Re: Caucho Resin

2008-08-19 Thread Emil Ong
Hi Michael, Sorry for the late reply, I just saw your message... On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 09:34:44AM +0200, Michael Bienia wrote: There are a couple of hitches, though. We dual-license Resin as GPL and a closed source professional (upsell) version with a bit of extra code for added

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:34 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The make a parallel with python, the gem command is similar to easy_install.

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:28:02PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Which we generally patch into submission when we find it. In Debian/Ubuntu if ezsetup is installing external Python modules it's bug. Do you mean that

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 19:56, Mathias Gug wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:28:02PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: ... Neil's proposal is to improve the gem command (from the libgems-ruby package) so that binaries are

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Emmet Hikory
Scott Kitterman wrote: For a legalistic reading of policy, I think there is nothing wrong with that, but how is a typical user of a gem going to know that if they install gem X a library used by gem Y, Z, and package A will be replaced/overridden? As a practical matter I think this declares