Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bryce Harrington br...@canonical.com wrote: For improving the process just for the skill-level consideration, what I would like to see is sort of a self-directed exercise workbook, with sets of packaging, bug triage, testing, documentation, etc. tasks. For

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I completely agree. MOTU and core-dev membership is a combination of * technical knowledge [for which two key points apply: arbitrary have-done-X metrics don't assess any more reliably than peer assessment of the

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I completely agree. MOTU and core-dev membership is a combination of * technical knowledge [for which two key points apply: arbitrary

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:28:25 -0400 Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: I agree. In the same spirit of having a workbook, we could set guidelines and not hard fast rules. If we're going to have a workbook, we're setting some numbers anyhow. We aren't and we shouldn't. The

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I completely agree. MOTU and core-dev membership is a combination of * technical knowledge [for which two key points apply: arbitrary

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jordan Mantha jordan.man...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that's necessarily a logical conclusion. You're saying that if the +1/-1 of a MOTU Council member is based on a subjective

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jordan Mantha jordan.man...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that's necessarily a logical conclusion. You're saying that if the +1/-1 of a MOTU Council member is based on a subjective decision that they can't use objective data in making that decision. That is

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bryce Harrington br...@canonical.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:04:35AM -0800, Jordan Mantha wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jordan Mantha jordan.man...@gmail.com

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-08 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:04:35AM -0800, Jordan Mantha wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jordan Mantha jordan.man...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that's necessarily a logical conclusion. You're saying

Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 07 January 2009 13:22, Daniel Holbach wrote: Dustin Kirkland schrieb: I really believe the MOTU and Core-Dev application processes would greatly benefit from some minimal, objective criteria. It should be perfectly clear that meeting these objective criteria will not be

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 02:18:09PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 13:22, Daniel Holbach wrote: Dustin Kirkland schrieb: I really believe the MOTU and Core-Dev application processes would greatly benefit from some minimal, objective criteria. It should be

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Collins
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 14:18 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: People like quantitative criteria because they can be applied without judgement and with no perception of bias. Everyone has to wait 6 months, so it's not unfair we say you need to wait too. I really think that our process is

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Collins
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 13:46 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: For improving the process just for the skill-level consideration, what I would like to see is sort of a self-directed exercise workbook, with sets of packaging, bug triage, testing, documentation, etc. tasks. For sponsorees with

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:44:16PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 19:24, Robert Collins wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 13:46 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: For improving the process just for the skill-level consideration, what I would like to see is sort of a

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Nick Ellery
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 13:22, Daniel Holbach wrote: Dustin Kirkland schrieb: I really believe the MOTU and Core-Dev application processes would greatly benefit from some minimal, objective criteria. It should be perfectly clear that meeting these objective

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:59:24PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:46, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:44:16PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 19:24, Robert Collins wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 13:46 -0800, Bryce

Re: Developer Application Criteria - Was Re: New Application processes

2009-01-07 Thread Daniel Holbach
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman schrieb: On Wednesday 07 January 2009 20:46, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:44:16PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: Here's a good list of questions for the workbook: