Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-22 Thread Darren Hinderer
Thanks for your work Neil! The ruby community is very much a bleeding edge group of developers, and so waiting 6 months between releases is really not useful. When I do my rails development on hardy, I install ruby, mysql, and ruby gems from apt, and from there use straight gems. -- Darren On

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-21 Thread Stephan Hermann
Good Morning David, Scott, On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:45:59PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:42:58 -0500 David Portwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] As long as gems are only delivering their own binaries... But gems are much more, you can include complete (one or

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:01:26PM -0700, Mathias Gug wrote: What are you referring to by package ? The make a parallel with python, the gem command is similar to easy_intall. And ezinstall is broken by design for a binary distro and for endusers. ezinstall doesn't check if there is the

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Neil Wilson
Scott, I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about. Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly. So if Ubuntu wants Rails, it has to have Gem that works. Therefore I saw my task as

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-20 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:07:46PM +0100, Neil Wilson wrote: Scott, I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about. Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly. So if Ubuntu

Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Neil Wilson
With the Intrepid Feature Freeze deadline fast approaching (August 28th) I thought I'd put out another call for help reviewing the Phusion Passenger package and alterations to the Rubygems package. Without your help reviewing the code, this will not go into Intrepid and Ubuntu will be short of

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is completely integrated with the gem package manager. In Intrepid I would expect users to continue to use gem to install Rails and for that to be

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is completely integrated with the gem package manager. In Intrepid I would

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the Ruby Package manager. Ruby on Rails is a gem based framework and is

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2008 15:11, Neil Wilson wrote: Rubygems contains 'gem' - the

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:34 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Mathias Gug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The make a parallel with python, the gem command is similar to easy_install.

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Mathias Gug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:28:02PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Which we generally patch into submission when we find it. In Debian/Ubuntu if ezsetup is installing external Python modules it's bug. Do you mean that

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 19:56, Mathias Gug wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:28:02PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: ... Neil's proposal is to improve the gem command (from the libgems-ruby package) so that binaries are

Re: Ruby on Rails support in Intrepid - call for reviewers and cheerleaders

2008-08-19 Thread Emmet Hikory
Scott Kitterman wrote: For a legalistic reading of policy, I think there is nothing wrong with that, but how is a typical user of a gem going to know that if they install gem X a library used by gem Y, Z, and package A will be replaced/overridden? As a practical matter I think this declares