Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Stefan Potyra wrote: Hi Martin, Am Saturday 31 October 2009 10:57:21 schrieb Martin Pitt: Stefan Potyra [2009-10-31 2:58 +0100]: That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of otherwise voted upon boards are (as it occurs to me from this mail) prolonged

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:22:26 +0100 Daniel Holbach daniel.holb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Am Samstag, den 31.10.2009, 13:08 -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman: Would you please point me to the minutes of the meetings or the archive of the discussion where this decision was taken? It was discussed via

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi Mark, Am Monday 02 November 2009 11:00:57 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: Stefan Potyra wrote: Hi Martin, Am Saturday 31 October 2009 10:57:21 schrieb Martin Pitt: Stefan Potyra [2009-10-31 2:58 +0100]: That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of otherwise

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Matthew East
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Stefan Potyra stefan.pot...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote: Thanks, Mark, that's at least a clear announcement, helping me better understand how the Ubuntu government works in reality, and to what degree government bodies value the community. Stefan, that's

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:00:57 + Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: If the CC need to, we can make direct appointments and replacements on any structure in Ubuntu, and will do so. Certainly the CC can (and if they can't you, as SABDFL, can). That doesn't mean you should. While the

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Matthew East
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Matthew East m...@ubuntu.com wrote: The CC is predominantly made up of community members. Only 2 out of 8 of its members work for Canonical. Of course we value the community. P.S. I've just realised that the above could be read as meaning that the 2 people in

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:00:57 + Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: If the CC need to, we can make direct appointments and replacements on any structure in Ubuntu, and will do so. Certainly the CC can (and if they can't you, as SABDFL, can). That

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:05:36 + Matthew East m...@ubuntu.com wrote: ... In response to Scott's post, I think we can take the point. I don't think that any lack of transparency here was intentional - it just seemed to be a very easy decision and it was more or less coincidental that the people

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Mark Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Remember, governance in the Ubuntu community is delegated from the CC (and ultimately me). We believe in having a broad strong base of talent to handle the huge scale of Ubuntu, but that's not the same as believing that every decision should be taken in a

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Stefan Lesicnik
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Personally, I'd be happy if there was a commitment to be more mindful of working in public when possible in the future. I suspect that this release cycle will see the archive reorganization in place.  I have seen

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 02/11/2009, at 17.23, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=Stefan Potyra date=Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:43:22PM +0100 Let's not bog ourselves down in procedural pedantry. If the CC need to, we can make direct appointments and replacements on any structure in Ubuntu, and will do so.

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-02 Thread Siegfried-A. Gevatter
While I don't disagree with the term extension, I would have expected the MOTU Council to approach the developer community in this matter and the final decision being taken through a poll (ie. something like Do you agree with extending Soren and Michael's term?). In this case, given that the

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-11-01 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am Samstag, den 31.10.2009, 13:08 -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman: Would you please point me to the minutes of the meetings or the archive of the discussion where this decision was taken? It was discussed via email. Have a great day, Daniel -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-10-31 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am Samstag, den 31.10.2009, 02:58 +0100 schrieb Stefan Potyra: That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of otherwise voted upon boards are (as it occurs to me from this mail) prolonged by the will of one developer. Maybe you can clear up what happened? Did that

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-10-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:59:15 +0100 Daniel Holbach daniel.holb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Am Samstag, den 31.10.2009, 02:58 +0100 schrieb Stefan Potyra: That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of otherwise voted upon boards are (as it occurs to me from this mail)

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-10-31 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi Martin, Am Saturday 31 October 2009 10:57:21 schrieb Martin Pitt: Stefan Potyra [2009-10-31 2:58 +0100]: That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of otherwise voted upon boards are (as it occurs to me from this mail) prolonged by the will of one developer.

Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-10-30 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi, Am Friday 30 October 2009 17:30:44 schrieb Benj. Mako Hill: Martin Pitt has apparently recently extended the terms of Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia by 3 months. As folks should know by now, there's a recently executed plan to split developer membership out from the TB into a new