Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Do you plan to switch from Xfce to Cinnamon? I don't understand this devel thread. I installed Cinnamon and Mate to my Arch Linux and decided it not to install to my Ubuntu Studio, because both DEs can't be used seriously for a production environment. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Maik Adamietz
No, as far is i'm aware of it Xfce will be the main DE for ubuntu studio. The users can choose from install what DE they want to use if i remember correct, we try to provide Cinnamon, Gnome 3, Unity and KDE as DE option. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread lukefromdc
No, I have been experimenting with an attempt to build a Cinnamon meta for US as an alternate desktop, springing from discussions in the early summer about other DE's with UbuntuStudio. I use Cinnamon myself in a personalized OS that descended from what was originally US Hardy, following rolling

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Do you plan to switch from Xfce to Cinnamon? I don't understand this devel thread. Not at all. I think we have addressed this question before actually, but, we are trying to make most of the workfows work on any DE. The ubuntustudio ISO and distro

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 14:42 +0200, Maik Adamietz wrote: No, as far is i'm aware of it Xfce will be the main DE for ubuntu studio. The users can choose from install what DE they want to use if i remember correct, we try to provide Cinnamon, Gnome 3, Unity and KDE as DE option. If the installer

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 13:44 +0100, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I would NOT reconmend any compositing DE for a dual core or single-core machine used for any form of performance-critical work like multitrack audio or video editing. This is one issue, while your assumption anyway is wrong, the

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 06:19 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: One too old one too new and one too slow :P That a graphics is too slow might happen, but is very unusual. As you and I already pointed out, usually it's the graphics driver that does cause an issue and for audio usage kernel real-time settings

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: IMO a serious alternate DE for a production environment is LXDE. I am not sure LXDE would make an improvement over xfce. The production SW pulls in a lot of stuff. Some of the video SW we ship pulls in a lot of the KDE desktop stuff, that once run

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread lukefromdc
I've done direct tests comparing compositing to noncompositing desktops of otherwises similar weight on machines barely able to play 720P video. Both my netbook, which uses the Intel video driver, and a Pentium 4 2GHZ with Radeon 1650 (r500 driver) will play a 720p/30fps/H264 video without

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread lukefromdc
I've had great results using Cinnamon in video production, with multiple workspaces , with Kdenlive, Audacity, and Gimp all running at the same time. No idea if it will last, or if gnome-shell's classic mode (now not very customizable) will replace it, or what. One thing's for sure, I'm not going

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On my machine Mate seems to be better than Cinnamon, but I had bad luck with moderators on the Mate forum. One is a stalker and gave me a warning and their claims are bizarre, e.g. gvfs is a hard dependency, if you don't install it, then you won't get support vs use Debain, there it isn't a hard

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I used nemo on Xfce and then needed to restart the computer, because evolution became unusable. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .xsession-errors.old [snip] (evolution:29168): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly.

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-27 Thread lukefromdc
I do not have the bandwidth available to experiment with miniisos and installing lots of packages at home unless I am already in posession of them from the laptop's cache, fetched on the road by wifi. My only experimental partition is at home, but I am on a cellular connection there, as it is

[ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-25 Thread Len Ovens
Here is the list of things that I know are new for saucy: New menu structure will work on any flavour. (that's not broken) - moved various apps to right submenu - New menu Icons New installer package - can install our metas - allows our extra software menu items to work on any DE New

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-25 Thread Ho Wan Chan
Hello Ubuntu Studio Developers and contributors, First of all, may I thank Len, Kaj and Jimmy for their great work during this development cycle. This list of new features in 13.10 will be included in the release notes and release announcements. As for our new package, ubuntustudio-installer,

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-25 Thread Len Ovens
Hello Ubuntu Studio Developers and contributors, First of all, may I thank Len, Kaj and Jimmy for their great work during this development cycle. Lets not forget Mish for his excellent Icons. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-25 Thread lukefromdc
Meanwhile a lot of packages are not in Saucy's repos. A couple weeks ago, I used a then-current DVD installer to put a new version of US on my test partition, then ran it through my ongoing Cinnamon DE experiments. In order to install it from a PPA specified for Saucy, I had to install a whole

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New for saucy

2013-08-25 Thread Len Ovens
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Meanwhile a lot of packages are not in Saucy's repos. A couple weeks ago, I used a then-current DVD installer to put a new version of US on my test partition, then ran it through my ongoing Cinnamon DE experiments. In order to install it