Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread Len Ovens
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: As I'm writing this, I realize that I don't think I've EVER seen an operating system where there are "guides" that help you to get set-up. I think this is something missing with linux, and especially since audio production requires a bit of "extr

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread lukefromdc
One use case for Pulse is recording the audio output of another application that won't work with Jack. Makers of "consumer" soundcards and onboard audio stopped including recording the output as a hardware option at about the time Windows Vista came out, and removed support for existing cards doin

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread brian
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 06:22:48 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> IOW it's just a silly hype that there is the need to be able to listen to several audio sources on the computer, at the same time, there are just a few valid exceptional circumstances,

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread Len Ovens
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: IOW it's just a silly hype that there is the need to be able to listen to several audio sources on the computer, at the same time, there are just a few valid exceptional circumstances, so it would make more This is not about listening to more than one t

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:19:58 +0100, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: >So I guess for me, the best set-up is to do web browsing mostly on a >different pc, and use my ubuntu-studio pc for audio work. Not a >problem at all, really. Without any workaround a browser does use ALSA, if jackd isn't running, I

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-14 Thread brian
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:28:23 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, br...@linuxsynths.com [1]wrote: > >> although pulseaudio wasn't causing the problem I was having with this particular instrument, when I run "top" or "htop" in the terminal, pulseaudio is always near the top of

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-13 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: although pulseaudio wasn't causing the problem I was having with this particular instrument, when I run "top" or "htop" in the terminal, pulseaudio is always near the top of the list of threads, even though I have never used it.  So I did Do y

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:40:36 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >Why not replace pulse with one of those two or during install >give the user the option on which one to install? The answer was already given, it's considered as too much effort to provide support, to those who want to e.g produce music

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
What I think would be nice to have since jack and or alsa is the default. Why not replace pulse with one of those two or during install give the user the option on which one to install? Jonathan Aquilina On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:24 PM, wrote: > Hi all, > > although pulseaudio wasn't causing t

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread brian
Hi all, although pulseaudio wasn't causing the problem I was having with this particular instrument, when I run "top" or "htop" in the terminal, pulseaudio is always near the top of the list of threads, even though I have never used it. So I did uninstall it (remove rather than purge) and thi

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 06:25:11 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: any desktop application that requires pulse will not hang or fail Hi Len, what app does hang or fail, if the pulseaudio package is removed or replaced by a dummy package? I'm not aware of any

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 06:25:11 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: >any desktop application that requires pulse will not hang or fail Hi Len, what app does hang or fail, if the pulseaudio package is removed or replaced by a dummy package? I'm not aware of any app and I don't see a reason to have pulseaud

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: can I safely remove pulseaudio?  It may be intefering with a synth I'm using, as I only use Jack for audio but for some reason pulseaudio is always lurking. I saw that purging pulseaudio brings with it removing the ubuntustudio-desktop file and

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:15:20 +0100, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: >apt-get autoremove Run apt-get autoremove before removing the meta-package and then run it again after removing it. Perhaps autoremove suggests to remove the packages installed as dependency by the meta-package, if so cancel the aut

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread brian
Hi Ralf, thanks for responding. I suppose I could do the dummy package, and I'll take a look at it at some point. For now, I *think* another way to do this might be to just remove pulseaudio, and leave the other related files. At some point, I'm sure the "apt-get autoremove" will tell me if

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: On Sat, 2015-12-12 at 12:18 +0100, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote: > ubuntustudio-desktop It's a meta-package http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/ubuntustudio-desktop if you remove this package nothing else should be removed. Anyway, you perhaps want to keep the package, assumed for some reason Ub

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, you can build empty dummy packages to fulfil hard dependencies that are nothing but a PITA, such as the pulseaudio hard dependency. Pulseaudio is one of the hard dependencies, that for many, if not all packages, could be an optional dependency (recommends, suggests). Use equivs, it's available

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, you can build empty dummy packages to fulfil hard dependencies that are nothing but a PITA, such as the pulseaudio hard dependency. Pulseaudio is one of the hard dependencies, that for many, if not all packages, could be an optional dependency (recommends, suggests). Use equivs, it's available

[ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

2015-12-12 Thread brian
Hi all, can I safely remove pulseaudio? It may be intefering with a synth I'm using, as I only use Jack for audio but for some reason pulseaudio is always lurking. I saw that purging pulseaudio brings with it removing the ubuntustudio-desktop file and wanted to know if I needed to install a