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Tony Arnold wrote: > Mark, > > On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:10 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > > >> Mark Harrison, BA, MA, MBCS >> and could get be CITP if I ever got around to filling in the >> paperwork and sending off the cheque :-) >> > > Interesting! I'm sure my CITP just arrived in th

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Mark, On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:10 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > Mark Harrison, BA, MA, MBCS > and could get be CITP if I ever got around to filling in the > paperwork and sending off the cheque :-) Interesting! I'm sure my CITP just arrived in the post one day! Regards, Tony Arnold, BSc,

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Alan Pope wrote: > I've worked in large blue-chip FSTE100 companies with complete fools > with good degrees who but couldn't perform simple problem diagnosis. > They may be fools, but they have jobs in FTSE100 companies :-) Here's the way it works: - Some people will recruit based on "experien

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On Wednesday 17 October 2007 15:55:25 Steve Flynn wrote: > heh! I had a stunningly brilliant time at University - virtually none of it > was to do with the course or the location though - it was all about meeting > new people, becoming independent, living away from home, etc. Perhaps > that's why I

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On 17/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a math

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Essex University (my local Uni) doesn't require A Level Maths, only GCSE level maths. As a result it doesn't sound like it can compare with the other Universities value-wise. It's #43 on the Computer Science list and #36 overall (Times Good University Guide). This seems to be a University that I *c

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> What do I do now? Take a third-rate University and end up with a > qualification that's not worth the paper it's written on or take an A > level whilst living on the streets? > Hi mate, I don't know if it's just me, but I don't think many people give a monkeys which university you get your degr

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- "Jai Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a maths qual

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Jai Harrison wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a maths qualification (only the bad ones

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On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:15 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a ma

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I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities won't accept me without a maths qualification (only the bad ones require just a C in maths) a

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Chris Rowson wrote: >> It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's >> are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of >> qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree >> makes a difference or not. >> >> Anyone who is currently on a d

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:41 +0100, "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > But look at the facts: > > 1) Graduates make more money > (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6999510.stm) > 2) You move up the management chain more quickly (virtually every > company has a grad scheme) > 3) You op

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Hi Jim, On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:27 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: > > Lucy wrote: > > On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. > > > > There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/

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> I'd advise anyone to go to Uni and study something... anything in fact. The > skills you learn there will stand you in good stead for the rest of your > life. The course you do may not but you'll come away a richer person. I studied BSc (Hons) Nursing at Uni (until I skulked back into the IT occ

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degree

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Lucy wrote: > On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. > > There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs/ A hotbed of activity ;-) Last updated 27 Sept. 2007 -- Peopl

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk htt

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> Matt, noone is opposing what you say. The difference is that not > everyone is throwing up their arms and agreeing with you. Whilst it'd > be nice if everyone did, everyone has an opinion on the matter and > you're not likely to change it very easily ;-) > > It's great that you're doing your IT d

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's great that you're doing your IT degree and that you're enjoying > it mate, but noone is gettng at you because you are. You're obviously > heh! I had a stunningly brilliant time at University - virtually none of it was to do with the c

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Garton > Sent: 17 October 2007 15:05 > To: British Ubuntu Talk > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future > > Chris Rowson wrote: > > It'd be intere

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > > qualification is. > > Matt: Placemen

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Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Garton Sent: 17 October 2007 15:05 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth&#x

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On 17/10/2007, Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > > qualification is. It's the only real way to

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degr

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. Matt: Placement year doing contract work (primarily analysis / design and rollout

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > A

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Matt - No Degree (although working towards one in CompSci with the OU) - > Technical Manager for an Open Source consultancy in Kent. Matt, Me too! Slightly off-topic but how are you finding the OU's courses with reg

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degree

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On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 14:59 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > >

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It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree makes a difference or not. Anyone who is currently on a degree course is of course going to sa

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Out of your experience is there a big > > difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of > > a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or > > East Anglia? I'm prepared to take a year or two ou

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- "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few > years to > > > get the A levels to go to a good university. > > > > Is it _really_ ? > > > > I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I > don't > > seem to be

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On 16/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering if I should take a university that doesn't need A level > maths, The University Of Bristol doesn't require A-Level maths (though it is preferred). Ranked 3rd for CS in the Times.

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> > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few years to > > get the A levels to go to a good university. > > Is it _really_ ? > > I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I don't > seem to be doing to badly as a result. I'm sure there are skills and > assets I

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Hi Matthew, On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 09:30 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few years to > get the A levels to go to a good university. Is it _really_ ? I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I don't seem to be doing to b

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On Wednesday 17 October 2007 at 10:05:48 Daniel Lamb wrote: > Go and see them both, don't only go to a uni due to their rankings. Make > sure you will be happy there as well. Couldn't agree more - you do have to live there for 3+ years! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mail

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Hi Jai, On Wednesday 17 October 2007 at 09:39:38 Jai Harrison wrote: > Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for > Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University > are you at? York is a good university for CS, and it's also a really nice uni. I'd a

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Jai Harrison wrote: > Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for > Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University > are you at? > I'm at Kent Uni doing CS and I'd definitely recommend it. The course is good and the campus is great. It's #23 on tha

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Jai, On 10/17/07, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for > Computer Science (see here: > http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER). > York is #7... am I aiming too high? > When you apply throug

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I've just been looking at the University of Manchester and I can get into the 3 year Computer Science course with a DDM (which I can scrape if I do well). Are you on the 4 year course that A level maths at B grade is also required for? I don't want to lose my chance at getting a good qualification

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t: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for Computer Science (see here: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER ). York is #7... am I aiming too high? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubunt

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I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for Computer Science (see here: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER). York is #7... am I aiming too high? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https:/

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:04 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: >> I'm eighteen years old and I am on the second year of a BTEC National >> Diploma for IT Practitioners. I'm looking at achieving either a DDM >> (320 UCAS points) or DMM (280

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York is a good uni, I havn't really looked into it that much. I'm at Manchester University. I'm afraid you will have to do your own research into where you want to go, I can only tell you what I went for (in my last e-mail). Regards, On 17/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I

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Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University are you at? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

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> Out of your experience is there a big > difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of > a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or > East Anglia? I'm prepared to take a year or two out as required to get > a few A levels on top of my BTEC is requir

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Dave Walker wrote: > One option most universities offer is an additional first year for > people that don't get grades they wanted. Another option might be > 'clearing'; but you will have to be fast. One slightly risky solution > you could follow, is to pick a similar course that has fewer entry

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Hey everyone, Thanks for your replies. I'm just running out of the door for College so I'll keep this short. Out of your experience is there a big difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or East Anglia?

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On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:04 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: > Hey, > > I'm eighteen years old and I am on the second year of a BTEC National > Diploma for IT Practitioners. I'm looking at achieving either a DDM > (320 UCAS points) or DMM (280 UCAS points) at the end of the course. I > want to do Compu

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And don't forget, after you've got the knowledge - talk the talk too! I've known of many an educated chap get knocked to the side of the road at interview by a non degree educated/lesser qualified person, because the well studied chap lacked social skills and the ability to talk to people (especia

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u get into its not as well paid as you think. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Larsen Sent: 17 October 2007 00:06 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future On 16/10/2007, Daniel Lamb <[EM

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On 16/10/2007, Daniel Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Experience is almost as important or even more important than degrees, my > advice would be find someone in your area then get some work with them if > you can, easy than it sounds I know you might even need to do it for free > but its good to

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servers. Which is fun, but obviously pretty hard. Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jai Harrison Sent: 16 October 2007 23:04 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future Hey, I'm eighteen years ol

[ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future

Hey, I'm eighteen years old and I am on the second year of a BTEC National Diploma for IT Practitioners. I'm looking at achieving either a DDM (320 UCAS points) or DMM (280 UCAS points) at the end of the course. I want to do Computer Science at University but I all of the good ones want A level ma