Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-13 Thread Alan Bell
yeah, I was using a slightly fancy SLC SD card. I would expect bash to be faster, it has way less to do, however 0.4 seconds is not 2-3 seconds. Alan. On 08/11/13 17:03, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Twice that, on a class 10 SD card: root@raspberrypi:~# cat hello.py print Hello, World!

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-08 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
Twice that, on a class 10 SD card: root@raspberrypi:~# cat hello.py print Hello, World! root@raspberrypi:~# time python hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.443s user0m0.140s sys 0m0.090s But it could just be a slow filesystem. Running it repeatedly, it's faster: root@raspberrypi:~#

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-07 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
Hi Alan, Please add make Python not suck on Raspberry Pi to your list of requests. Execution time for python is so bad I had to rewrite a number of my tools as shell scripts. Since many tools in Ubuntu are based on Python, I expect that'll be on your list anyway. Hopefully that's just an issue

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-07 Thread Alan Bell
I use python on the pi all the time, it works just fine for me, but I don't do much time critical stuff. Printing to the console is a bit slowish, but I do plenty of stuff responding to USB events and flashing LEDs attached to the GPIO and stuff like that. Mostly not desktop applications, just

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-07 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
Alan, I notice that python startup is unacceptably slow. Perhaps once the program is running, it's better. For instance, using python to gather data for snmpd is even an option, as it takes 2-3 seconds to run a simple subprocess call. Bash does the same almost instantly. Regards, Tyler On

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-07 Thread Alan Bell
odd, do you get something different to this? pi@raspberrypi ~ $ cat hello.py print Hello, World! pi@raspberrypi ~ $ time python hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.248s user0m0.180s sys0m0.050s On 07/11/13 20:06, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Alan, I notice that python startup is

[ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Alan Bell
Hi all, I have been keen on the idea of the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu for some time, and finally decided to get together with some folk and do something about it. So we are doing a crowd funding indiegogo thing to raise money to build a cluster of Pi devices that will be tasked with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Barry Drake
On 06/11/13 20:12, Alan Bell wrote: I have been keen on the idea of the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu for some time, and finally decided to get together with some folk and do something about it. So we are doing a crowd funding indiegogo thing to raise money to build a cluster of Pi devices that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/11/13 20:50, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/11/13 20:12, Alan Bell wrote: I have been keen on the idea of the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu for some time, and finally decided to get together with some folk and do something about it. So we are doing a crowd funding indiegogo thing to raise money

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Nigel Verity
Alan I'm all for maximising the choice of OS that can be run on a Pi, but your Indigogo pitch doesn't make clear what advantages Ubuntu server with no desktop will bring, compared to the existing Debian derivative which already provides LXDE. The pitch also gives the impression that if it does

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Alan Bell
from the pitch . . . Rasbian is a great operating platform for it, the LXDE desktop is fine, the Wayland demo was brilliant and loads of cool projects are happening based on the Pi. We still want Ubuntu on it though. We are using it in embedded projects, it is also turning up in things like

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Dan Fish
I think another aspect that should not be ignored is the potential roadmap for such arm devices. Admittedly I'm not aware of the Raspberry Pi's future direction, but in general more and more such arm devices seem to be in the offing. The raspberry pi itself has captured a stunningly large

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Andres
I recently heard more about beagle bone in FLOSS weekly. Doesn't beagle bone support ubuntu for a number of years now? Similar price, better hardware and a bit more open source? What makes the pi so special? I thought it was the educational aspect of it. If it is for server, why not beagle bone?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/11/13 22:19, Dan Fish wrote: I think another aspect that should not be ignored is the potential roadmap for such arm devices. Admittedly I'm not aware of the Raspberry Pi's future direction, but in general more and more such arm devices seem to be in the offing. The raspberry pi itself

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi

2013-11-06 Thread Alan Bell
On 06/11/13 22:26, Andres wrote: I recently heard more about beagle bone in FLOSS weekly. Doesn't beagle bone support ubuntu for a number of years now? Similar price, better hardware and a bit more open source? yes, that is a good platform too. What makes the pi so special? I thought it was