On 9 August 2010 10:55, Neil Greenwood wrote:
> OK, so what I should have said was "sorry for the top post, but I'm
> using a crappy GPRS phone and Gmail's java app. If I can turn off
> quoting, I haven't found the option yet. I can't cut and paste, and
> there's only one box to type in anyway." B
OK, so what I should have said was "sorry for the top post, but I'm
using a crappy GPRS phone and Gmail's java app. If I can turn off
quoting, I haven't found the option yet. I can't cut and paste, and
there's only one box to type in anyway." But I don't want to spend 10
minutes typing a postscript
On 7 Aug 2010, at 09:40, Tyler J. Wagner wrote:
> [top posting snippage]
>
> This topic is one of a list of topics that [a] will never be resolved, and
> [b]
> is doomed to be continually brought up. We used to call this "netiquette",
> but
Some of us still do call it netiquette.
> that very
I only joined this mailing list yesterday and already I've witnessed a
flame-war!
It's funny, I was reading through the emails one by one, thinking how
annoying it was to to scroll quoted messages for every single email. I
remember thinking: "oh, that's nice", when Neil didn't top-post.
Obviou
On 7 August 2010 11:21, Alan Pope wrote:
> Ok this is getting way to personal. Time to knock this on the head please.
Hmmm... I don't think a sentence like "I'm going to top post out of
SPITE" is actually particularly good, is it? In any debate things
should be kept civilised - to do something t
Top posting..
On 07/08/10 11:15, Sean Miller wrote:
> On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursell wrote:
>
>> I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these
>> discussions.
>>
> It's interesting, the way that people don't perceive Digest users
> having no ability to partici
This is just becoming a personal flame war. It is time to count to 10 before
replying.
Anton Piatek
On 7 Aug 2010 11:15, "Sean Miller" wrote:
> On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursell wrote:
>> I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these
>> discussions.
>
> It's interesting, the
On 7 August 2010 11:15, Sean Miller wrote:
> "Top posting out of spite", for those people, is a bit like going and
> mugging an old lady in the street "just to prove that muggings in the
> street aren't an important issue"... hmmm... did it give you a buzz to
> "top post out of spite", Tony? Did
On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursell wrote:
> I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these
> discussions.
It's interesting, the way that people don't perceive Digest users
having no ability to participate in discussions because it's
impossible to differentiate the quoted text fr
I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these
discussions.
No sooner has the same topic on the ubuntu-users list fizzled out (after
dozens of unneeded emails) but I have got it back on the ubuntu-uk list.
Thank heavens I have a Delete key and index finger poised over it to get
ri
On 07/08/10 09:07, Joe O'Dell wrote:
>> Because top posting all the time results in people LEAVING mailing
>> lists, because they simply can't understand what's going on. And we
>> want to be INCLUSIVE, surely?
>
> No, things like this result in people leaving mailing lists.
>
> I have never left
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 09:08 +0100, Sean Miller wrote:
> So that's good... and, perhaps, we can put some pressure on Google as
> a group to resolve this Android issue?!?!?
>
After a quick bit of searching through the android project hosting on
Google Code (isn't open source software wonderful?), I
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:57:48 +0100, Sean Miller
wrote:
> On 7 August 2010 08:54, Anton Piatek wrote:
> > For the record, on my android phone I can choose to quote the
> > entire message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting.
> > If you happen to know who in Google wrote this great
On Saturday 07 Aug 2010 09:15:47 Sean Miller wrote:
> And we have yet to get the opinions of a large percentage of the group.
I don't see the point of getting a large discussion going, and I certainly
don't see this as a vote. When topics like this come up, it is unfortunate
that the mailing lis
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 09:15 +0100, Sean Miller wrote:
> One of the "baddies" in this whole discussion is, indeed, Google...
> because GMail does this "show quoted text"/"hide quoted text" thing.
>
> So people don't even notice the myriad of information they are
> appending to their messages, becau
One of the "baddies" in this whole discussion is, indeed, Google...
because GMail does this "show quoted text"/"hide quoted text" thing.
So people don't even notice the myriad of information they are
appending to their messages, because Google "conveniently filters it
out"... problem is, when you'
On 7 August 2010 09:07, Joe O'Dell wrote:
> I have never left a mailing list because of top posting, because I don't
> actually see a problem with it.
Presumably you don't get the Digest option? If you did, you might...
We should endeavour to make life simple for EVERYBODY on the list, not
jus
On 7 August 2010 09:02, Alan Pope wrote:
> Can we please keep this conversation civil.
I believe I have endeavoured to do that, but the conversation should
be had because it IS a problem.
Joe disagrees, clearly, and thinks it's just "stirring up things" -
but why should I do that? I simply made
> Because top posting all the time results in people LEAVING mailing
> lists, because they simply can't understand what's going on. And we
> want to be INCLUSIVE, surely?
No, things like this result in people leaving mailing lists.
I have never left a mailing list because of top posting, becaus
On 7 Aug at 8:54, Anton Piatek wrote:
> For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire
> message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you
> happen to know who in Google wrote this great
Obviously: an android.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
On 7 August 2010 09:00, Joe O'Dell wrote:
> You are getting too pernickety about bloody top posting.
That is an opinion... I think that the discussion needs to be had,
because it is becoming more and more of a problem.
> Take a breather and calm down, and then try and solve the world by getting
Hi Sean,
Can we please keep this conversation civil.
On 7 Aug 2010, at 08:45, Sean Miller wrote:
>
> It is not "rocket science", and if Google are creating Android phones
> that are impossible to not top post (or Android apps, assuming it may
> be GMail at fault) then surely somebody should go
Let's absolutely take it to Google. Where do we email?
While we are at it on my phone the tick box to not quotes the message is
hidden by the reply box, so you have to scroll down and may not have even
known about it.
Anton Piatek
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https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/li
Sean,
You are getting too pernickety about bloody top posting.
Take a breather and calm down, and then try and solve the world by getting
phone manufacturers to add mailing list functionality.
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ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
https://wiki.ubunt
On 7 August 2010 08:54, Anton Piatek wrote:
> For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire
> message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to
> know who in Google wrote this great
Well, then there is a solution.. quote none and site what yo
For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire
message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to
know who in Google wrote this great
Anton Piatek
--
ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
https://wiki.ub
On 7 August 2010 08:44, Joe O'Dell wrote:
> Excuse Me? He never ONCE said "I can't be bothered to cut from this second
> window".
Well, he effectively did... he said that there were two windows... and
to reply without top posting he'd probably have to click something in
the second, then gaily sig
On 7 August 2010 08:33, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> Or think of a book. Do writers normally put the end of a conversation
> first and the beginning last? Never!
The principal problem is actually with digests, rather than with those
of us who get individual posts... we can "weed out the rubbish" fr
>
> Which says...
>
> ---quote---
> "Proper quoting:
Yes, I know what the guidelines say. As do at least 50% of the mailing list
posters.
I respect that some may not, but they can read it in their own time.
> And we've now had one person do it several times this morning (and
> apologise for i
On 7 Aug at 8:14, Joe O'Dell wrote:
> > Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying
> > "sorry" IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will
> > be upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as many people
> > are) of how irritating top posting can
On 7 August 2010 08:14, Joe O'Dell wrote:
> For reference, for anyone that is actually bothered by mailing list
> etiquette, here is the Ubuntu Mailing List
> Guidelines: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
Which says...
---quote---
"Proper quoting:
Proper quoting is very impor
On 7 August 2010 08:18, David Jones wrote:
> Replying on my Android phone, the quoted text is in a separate input box
> with replies appearing to automatically default to top posting.
Can't you just tell it to not quote the post at all?
> So, apologies if this top posts.
It did... and I suspect
My objection was to the "apologies for top posting" thing... it shows
that he knows it is an issue, yet does nothing about it.
Clearly he has never tried to read an e-mail list on "Daily Digest"
where people top post by default... you get the first post, then below
it the second post then the firs
One thing to remember is that a lot of people are replying using mobile
phones, so it's not as easy to chose whether you top or bottom post.
Replying on my Android phone, the quoted text is in a separate input box
with replies appearing to automatically default to top posting.
So, apologies if th
> Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying
> "sorry" IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will be
> upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as many people are)
> of how irritating top posting can be.
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, WHOA!
Ease Up - I know
On 7 August 2010 07:49, Neil Greenwood wrote:
> P.S. Sorry for the top post.
Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying
"sorry" IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will be
upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as many people are)
of how ir
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