Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread javadayaz
HA Urdu! Hey i can follow the Urdu instructions...although not a great fan of the font! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rob Beard wrote: > On 19/10/10 21:29, Barry Drake wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote: > >> Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread Rob Beard
On 19/10/10 21:29, Barry Drake wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote: >> Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the >> time. > > That's my experience exactly! I've installed various incarnations of > Windows and it's been a real pain! Compared to tha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread Barry Drake
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote: > Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the > time. That's my experience exactly! I've installed various incarnations of Windows and it's been a real pain! Compared to that, Ubuntu is just S simple. My biggest an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 19/10/2010 12:47, pmgazz wrote: And the bizarre rituals for installing USB peripherals so XP doesn't lose the driver. I could NEVER understand that. Even in Win 7, insert a USB stick you get "installing device drivers". Remove it and insert another make of USB stick into the SAME USB

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread pmgazz
On 19/10/10 10:24, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 13/10/2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote: On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote: Installing Ubuntu IS as easy as installing Windows and a darn sight faster to get a fully-functioning machine. Once you have installed Windows you THEN have to inst

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-19 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 13/10/2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote: On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote: I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that they

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-18 Thread Alan Bell
You might be interested in following the progress of this blueprint https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-desktop-n-xorg-configuration-the-final-ten-percent which will be discussed at UDS, currently scheduled for 09:00 EST on Wednesday 27th. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-15 Thread Jacob Mansfield
I certainly would Jacob Mansfield Programmer On 14 October 2010 21:47, Rob Beard wrote: > On 14/10/10 11:26, Barry Drake wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 10:59 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > >> Hi Rob, Unfortunately, its my pc, that is the main problem, and I dont > >> have transport to pick up

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Rob Beard
On 14/10/10 11:26, Barry Drake wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 10:59 +0100, John Matthews wrote: >> Hi Rob, Unfortunately, its my pc, that is the main problem, and I dont >> have transport to pick up my pc, and take it to a lug meeting. > > Ubuntu folk are (for the most part) really helpful people.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread John Matthews
On 14/10/10 19:52, Paul Jones wrote: > John, > > http://askubuntu.com/ > > > Paul > (peejay1977) That one works, dont know why the other one didnt. :( Thank you. John -- Ubuntu User #30817 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.c

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Tansom
** Paul Morgan-Roach [2010-10-14 18:51]: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Tansom wrote: > > Support wise, I can sympathise, although based on experience when asking > > questions on Windows forums. The first one that comes to mind is Experts > > Exchange (now a pay site and abandoned), but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Alan Bell
http://askubuntu.com/ sorry, was typing on a phone using an email client full of fail. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company regi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Josh Holland
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 19:44 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > On 14/10/10 19:39, Alan Bell wrote: > > Seenhttp://askbuntu.com ? That is a new site for questions and answers and > > it seems quite popular. > > Something wrong with link, wont work. Should be http://askubuntu.com/ Josh -- ubuntu-u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Will Bickerstaff
typo I think its http://askubuntu.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Jones
John, http://askubuntu.com/ Paul (peejay1977) On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 19:44 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > On 14/10/10 19:39, Alan Bell wrote: > > Seenhttp://askbuntu.com ? That is a new site for questions and answers and > > it seems quite popular. > > Something wrong with link, wont work. >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread John Matthews
On 14/10/10 19:39, Alan Bell wrote: > Seenhttp://askbuntu.com ? That is a new site for questions and answers and > it seems quite popular. Something wrong with link, wont work. -- Ubuntu User #30817 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Alan Bell
Seen http://askbuntu.com ? That is a new site for questions and answers and it seems quite popular. "Paul Morgan-Roach" wrote: >On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Tansom wrote: > >> >> Support wise, I can sympathise, although based on experience when asking >> questions on Windows forums. T

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Morgan-Roach
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Tansom wrote: > > Support wise, I can sympathise, although based on experience when asking > questions on Windows forums. The first one that comes to mind is Experts > Exchange (now a pay site and abandoned), but there have been others. > EE is still a ver

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Tansom
** Paul Tansom [2010-10-14 14:34]: > With my brand new build for my dad I have the joy of sorting out his scanner, > which has no Windows 7 driver. It does, however, have a transparency adaptor > that he wants to use, and I don't think new scanners have this feature - so if > anyone knows of a ut

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Tansom
** Melv Bailey [2010-10-13 15:14]: > I will probably get it to work on one of my PCs eventually when I can > trawl the bug lists and forums for a solution, but my Win 7 on an Athlon > XP2500+ and Nvidia 6800 that took less than an hour to setup is working > it will have to wait for some free t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread pmgazz
On 14/10/10 11:31, John Matthews wrote: Hi Barry, thank you, I really appreciate it, unfortunately, I live in London. Thank you any way. :) John. GLLUG meets fairly regularly and they do this kind of thing. http://www.gllug.org.uk/ We have drop-ins starting soon, these are aimed at VC

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread pmgazz
On 13/10/10 17:55, Colin Law wrote: On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey wrote: If you're a power user of any platform and you change platform, the experience feels very dis-empowering and frustrating. This isn't necessarily related to the relative merits of the two platforms. Know

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread John Matthews
On 14/10/10 11:26, Barry Drake wrote: > Ubuntu folk are (for the most part) really helpful people. If you > happened to live close to Nottingham I would happily pop around and > spend a couple of hours, especially if you were to offer a beer! I'm > sure the same goes for many of us around the cou

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Dan Attwood
> > Why not give your > approx. location and see who responds off-list? > > You might also find that someone is willing to pick you up and give you a lift to a lug met. Kent Lug members often do this -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Barry Drake
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 10:59 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > Hi Rob, Unfortunately, its my pc, that is the main problem, and I dont > have transport to pick up my pc, and take it to a lug meeting. Ubuntu folk are (for the most part) really helpful people. If you happened to live close to Nottingham

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 18:25, Rob Beard wrote: > John, have you tried maybe contacting your local Linux User Group > (assuming there is one near you?). You can find a list of LUGs here: > > http://lug.org.uk/listings > > If you can find a local LUG which is active (seems like some of them > aren't so active)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 14/10/10 08:21, Will Bickerstaff wrote: >> The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, >> a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. >> VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 > > Lord Bell would have been a much cooler name Nah - would be confusing and is not in alphabetica

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Will Bickerstaff
> The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, > a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. > VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 Lord Bell would have been a much cooler name -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-14 Thread Will Bickerstaff
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:49 PM, azmodie wrote: >  in the meantime i think new and general users should run the more stable > Long Term Support release (LTS). as it is generally the most stable release > compared to the 6 monthly release. tends to upgrade to next LTS more > reliably than the 6 mo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Bell
On 14/10/10 06:27, Traveller wrote: My experience installing 10.04 does not support this claim, Alan. In my case, on a system with on-board nVidia graphics, X not only failed to start, the monitor went to sleep after claiming "No input". Fortunately for me, I still had a working WinXP available,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Traveller
On 13/10/2010 7:14, Melv Bailey wrote: > No one is addressing my point of the live CD. > > Al > I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to > maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the > commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Traveller
On 13/10/2010 7:56, Alan Pope wrote: > On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Bailey wrote: >> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else >> has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know >> that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has any

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread mac
On 13/10/10 23:49, azmodie wrote: > in the meantime i think new and general users should run the more stable > Long Term Support release (LTS). as it is generally the most stable release > compared to the 6 monthly release. tends to upgrade to next LTS more > reliably than the 6 monthly to 6 mon

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Sean Miller
oo-errr... a few hours working at Morrisons and I come home to this? +1 for Alan Pope's thread that appears to have resulted in such abuse... he makes a very valid point that when you have community support it is on a voluntary basis and people should not be expected to give up their whole lives t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread azmodie
On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote: > > Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on > option, so when the desktop fails to load, which in my experience, is > far more common than is being indicated in this discussion, the user > can reboot and try the 'safe g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Beard
On 13/10/10 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote: > Anyone know the reason behind dropping it. It seemed to disappear in Hardy Nope, I didn't realise it had gone until I checked today. > > Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on > option, so when the desktop fails to load,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Jacob Mansfield
I have but one thing to say about this argument. DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY CARE??? Jacob Mansfield Programmer On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > > On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote: > >> Do all of these machines have nVidia gr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Will Bickerstaff
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote: >> Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards? >> Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that >> breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Tony Pursell
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 13:57 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote: > Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else > has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know > that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone > else ever seen Ubuntu boo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses -discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Bell
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > You any idea how frustrating it is, to have a problem, and still have > no > solution, but lots of bad atmosphere. > > it is a little frustrating for all concerned that a problem exists and insufficient information has been provided in or

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Beard
On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote: > Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards? > Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that > breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one > of them, hence the reason that Ubuntu *thinks* it is ru

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Rob Beard
On 13/10/10 16:19, John Matthews wrote: > Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so it shouldnt be a > problem for anybody else. And as for getting help from Ubuntu, that isnt > easy either, if it was, I still wouldnt have problems with my network > shares and videos problems. I woul

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Barry Drake
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote: > Clearly the regulars on here (I have been following this list for a > while) will defend Ubuntu to the hilt, but if you want its use to expand > someone need to accept there is a problem. First I wish I could help - but haven't seen anythi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Colin Law
On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey wrote: > Hi > > My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu. > > I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got > no repsonse other than "load the NVidia driver" (not the point of the > original post, and how sin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
I have opened a can of worms here but my original post on the Ubuntu forum was to find out why there didn't appear to be a way to force VGA mode on the live CD if it got its video detection/drivers screwed up. Clearly my monitors showing out of range means Ubuntu is driving the video to resolu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses -discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 17:35, Paul Jones wrote: > I've been a user of support forums for years and have never had the issues > you or Mel describe, I've asked questions on all manner of forums ranging > from PC's to dishwashers to cats and never found a lack of people willing to > help and point me in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses -discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
John Matthews Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com To: UK Ubuntu Talk ReplyTo: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses -discuss Sent: 13 Oct 2010 17:10 On 13/10/10 17:05, Roy Jamison wrote: > Windows fanboys flame me, linux fanboys pat me o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:08 +0100, "John Matthews" wrote: > Options I have tried and got nowhere again with. > How about trying them again now? A good argument attracts a lot of people and that might give us enough eyeballs to make your bugs shallow and get fixes for them. Robert ___

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 17:08, John Matthews wrote: > Options I have tried and got nowhere again with. > I don't know what to suggest then. I know a lot of people get help with their systems. > To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about > contacting people in the middle o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
Forget the middle of the night thing, whoever said it. Our night-time is America's daytime. IRC channels are pretty busy during our night :) On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > On 13/10/10 16:54, Alan Pope wrote: > > On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote: > >> That d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
I didn't mean it to be offensive at all, but moaning about the way things are doesn't change anything, that's why we have a coalition government; no-one voted, they sat at home complaining. Trust me though, I've used Ubuntu since 6.06 and my God I've been peed off at times with problems and people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses -discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
lackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Roy Jamison Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:05:13 To: UK Ubuntu Talk Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss Equal support!??! You have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 17:05, Roy Jamison wrote: > Windows fanboys flame me, linux fanboys pat me on the back;) lol > > > I rest my case. Sorry, this is verging on becoming abusive.. -- Ubuntu User #30817 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 16:54, Alan Pope wrote: > On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote: >> That doesnt surprise me really, basically what your saying is, go >> somewhere else, we cant be bothered. That brings us right back to what >> the OP said at the beginning. There we are. >> > No, I was giving y

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
mparison to other OS's. > > > Paul. > > > > - Original Message - > From: > UK Ubuntu Talk > > To: > "UK Ubuntu Talk" > Cc: > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote: > That doesnt surprise me really, basically what your saying is, go > somewhere else, we cant be bothered. That brings us right back to what > the OP said at the beginning. There we are. > No, I was giving you _options_. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 16:34, Alan Pope wrote: > Hi John, > > You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet > been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling. > > On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthews wrote: >> Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
ed, 13 Oct 2010 16:39:24 +0100 Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss On 13/10/10 16:35, Paul Jones wrote: > > If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many > people claiming "it worked perfectly without any configuration at al

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
Hi John, You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling. On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthews wrote: > Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so it shouldnt be a > problem for anybody else. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 16:35, Paul Jones wrote: > > If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many > people claiming "it worked perfectly without any configuration at all" > as there are people who claim "it was a nightmare, I couldnt get it to > work and I couldnt get any help either" r

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
k" Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:19:56 +0100 Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss On 13/10/10 16:09, Alan Pope wrote: > On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews wrote: >> On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote: >>> It's easy if you k

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards? Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one of them, hence the reason that Ubuntu *thinks* it is running ok. That might also explain the fact tha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread סאמואל
Well said MR Pope. There is a learning curve from windows 98 and windows 7~ just as there is changing from windows to mac and also windows / mac to linux. I think Ubuntu is much simpler to use because the majority of things will work out of the box but like Alan Pope said to expect something free

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 16:09, Alan Pope wrote: > On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews wrote: >> On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote: >>> It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or >>> brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu >>> is easy' are almost alwa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews wrote: > On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote: >> It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or >> brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu >> is easy' are almost always people who have had the pain of >> admi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread A J Binnie
I thought I'd throw my tuppence worth in. Before I discovered Ubuntu, I had a few attempts at installing Linux. One was Mandrake (version 7, I think), and I had a couple of attempts at installing Debian and Redhat, all to no avail. I can't remember how I found out about Ubuntu (Dapper), but I foun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Bailey wrote: > Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else > has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode.  I didnt know > that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before.  Has anyone > else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this f

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 13:46, Melv Bailey wrote: > Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the > computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin, > together with the concept of Linux. > Which is why you're getting encouraged to file bugs. > Why can it not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:27 +0100, Paul Jones wrote: > Mel, I don’t know the answer to that, I assume yes its given out to > the masses at these events but lets be realistic, who goes to a Linux > event? Average everyday users? I kind of doubt it and I've never seen > these CD's being given out pub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Hi Melv, On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote: > No one is addressing my point of the live CD. I'm wondering if this is because no-one else on this list (and note that I am referring to the list, not the world in general! ;) ) has experienced this issue. I accept that having a Li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
ne and have no problems booting off the Live CD.   Paul.  - Original Message - From: UK Ubuntu Talk To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:14:11 +0100 Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss No one is addressing my point of the live CD. Al I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
No one is addressing my point of the live CD. Al I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum posts, this is required for a lot of solutions

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote: > On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote: >> Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is >> easy, easier than windows. > It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or > brain surgery. It's all about pers

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
judge your experience based on more than just this one machine. (Unless I've misread and you have this same issue on multiple systems). Paul. - Original Message - From: UK Ubuntu Talk To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:57:53 +0100 Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Dan Attwood
> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else > has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know > that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone > else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this failsafe mode? > > Yes. I've had issues in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Dan Attwood
> > > > >I have had very few calls from my mum asking for help with her Ubuntu > >system. She uses the same kinds of apps most people do. > > I can vouch for that. My Farther-in-law recently bought a new pc, without asking me, because he 'simply must have windows'. Last time I saw him he was compla

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this failsafe mode? What is meant to trigger this mode?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin, together with the concept of Linux. Why can it not start in a basic video mode, or at least have an option to, so the user can have a second attempt at bootin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote: > Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is > easy, easier than windows. It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu is eas

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Bell
Dunno about your 10 year old son, but my 9 year old daughter installed Ubuntu on the playroom computer the other day. It just worked. Ubuntu does have failsafe X which should cut in with a working low graphics mode, if that does not happen then it is a bug and you would be improving ubuntu by fi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Dobson
On 13/10/10 10:48, Alan Pope wrote: > The fact is though that right now there are few manufacturers making > machines with Ubuntu pre-installed, so people do have to do the > install. However I believe you should be comparing "Oranges and > Oranges". If my mum bought a blank computer and wanted win

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
I think your best bet to get support on these machines is to: 1. Search http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for the graphics cards you have in each machine, there may be a known problem with them, or they may have a workaround. It may even be a really simple fix :) 2. If there is nothing relevant to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Paul Jones
t were to make sure these issues get ironed out. Afterall, we are downloading something that Microsoft would charge an arm and a leg for. Paul. - Original Message - From: UK Ubuntu Talk To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:03:25 +0100 Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread John Matthews
On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote: I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that they can't solve problems or get a particular set

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
Thanks for replys I want to use Linux. I might use Windows, I might work with Windows, I have hated Windows since version 3 (I was there, it was good for its time), I have to admit I think they have finally got close with 7. I dont like Microsoft as a company and its actions, but I have to fe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread chris cundy
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that they can't solve problems or get a particular setup working how they would like, its th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Roy Jamison
This is precisely why we have Launchpad, both the bug tracker and the answers tracker. The Ubuntu documentation (both in the OS and online) has workarounds, known issues, and failing that can point you to an IRC channel #ubuntu - people there are usually very helpful. I totally understand though,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Melv, On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey wrote: > Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant but there is now another new version > Of Ubuntu that STILL does not address the fundamentals of running on a > range of hardware that is fine for Windows. > If we're talking about the 'masses' like my mu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Bell
What bug numbers have you filed for these issues? Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
Melv, On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:28 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote: > This has caused me a problem since 8.04 (7.10 is the last version I have > run sort of successfully without having to jump through VGA driver hoops > but I did have to jump through wireless drivers hoops and didnt solve them). I am s

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

2010-10-13 Thread Melv Bailey
Hi My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu. I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got no repsonse other than "load the NVidia driver" (not the point of the original post, and how since I had a totally black screen with a mouse pointer).