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Tony Arnold wrote: > Mark, > > On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:10 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > > >> Mark Harrison, BA, MA, MBCS >> and could get be CITP if I ever got around to filling in the >> paperwork and sending off the cheque :-) >> > > Interesting! I'm sure my CITP just arrived in th

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Mark, On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:10 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > Mark Harrison, BA, MA, MBCS > and could get be CITP if I ever got around to filling in the > paperwork and sending off the cheque :-) Interesting! I'm sure my CITP just arrived in the post one day! Regards, Tony Arnold, BSc,

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Alan Pope wrote: > I've worked in large blue-chip FSTE100 companies with complete fools > with good degrees who but couldn't perform simple problem diagnosis. > They may be fools, but they have jobs in FTSE100 companies :-) Here's the way it works: - Some people will recruit based on "experien

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On Wednesday 17 October 2007 15:55:25 Steve Flynn wrote: > heh! I had a stunningly brilliant time at University - virtually none of it > was to do with the course or the location though - it was all about meeting > new people, becoming independent, living away from home, etc. Perhaps > that's why I

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On 17/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a math

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Essex University (my local Uni) doesn't require A Level Maths, only GCSE level maths. As a result it doesn't sound like it can compare with the other Universities value-wise. It's #43 on the Computer Science list and #36 overall (Times Good University Guide). This seems to be a University that I *c

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> What do I do now? Take a third-rate University and end up with a > qualification that's not worth the paper it's written on or take an A > level whilst living on the streets? > Hi mate, I don't know if it's just me, but I don't think many people give a monkeys which university you get your degr

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- "Jai Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a maths qual

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Jai Harrison wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a maths qualification (only the bad ones

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On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:15 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: > I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next > year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my > eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities > won't accept me without a ma

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I've just had an argument with my guardian about doing A levels next year instead of going to a third-rate University that will lead to my eventual curricular failure. It seems all of the good universities won't accept me without a maths qualification (only the bad ones require just a C in maths) a

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Chris Rowson wrote: >> It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's >> are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of >> qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree >> makes a difference or not. >> >> Anyone who is currently on a d

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:41 +0100, "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > But look at the facts: > > 1) Graduates make more money > (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6999510.stm) > 2) You move up the management chain more quickly (virtually every > company has a grad scheme) > 3) You op

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Hi Jim, On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 16:27 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: > > Lucy wrote: > > On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. > > > > There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/

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> I'd advise anyone to go to Uni and study something... anything in fact. The > skills you learn there will stand you in good stead for the rest of your > life. The course you do may not but you'll come away a richer person. I studied BSc (Hons) Nursing at Uni (until I skulked back into the IT occ

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degree

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Lucy wrote: > On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. > > There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs/ A hotbed of activity ;-) Last updated 27 Sept. 2007 -- Peopl

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list. There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk htt

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> Matt, noone is opposing what you say. The difference is that not > everyone is throwing up their arms and agreeing with you. Whilst it'd > be nice if everyone did, everyone has an opinion on the matter and > you're not likely to change it very easily ;-) > > It's great that you're doing your IT d

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's great that you're doing your IT degree and that you're enjoying > it mate, but noone is gettng at you because you are. You're obviously > heh! I had a stunningly brilliant time at University - virtually none of it was to do with the c

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Garton > Sent: 17 October 2007 15:05 > To: British Ubuntu Talk > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future > > Chris Rowson wrote: > > It'd be intere

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > > qualification is. > > Matt: Placemen

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Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Garton Sent: 17 October 2007 15:05 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth&#x

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On 17/10/2007, Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > > qualification is. It's the only real way to

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degr

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. Matt: Placement year doing contract work (primarily analysis / design and rollout

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On 17/10/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > A

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Matt - No Degree (although working towards one in CompSci with the OU) - > Technical Manager for an Open Source consultancy in Kent. Matt, Me too! Slightly off-topic but how are you finding the OU's courses with reg

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Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > > Anyone who is currently on a degree

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On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 14:59 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's > are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of > qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree > makes a difference or not. > >

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It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree makes a difference or not. Anyone who is currently on a degree course is of course going to sa

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On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Out of your experience is there a big > > difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of > > a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or > > East Anglia? I'm prepared to take a year or two ou

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- "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few > years to > > > get the A levels to go to a good university. > > > > Is it _really_ ? > > > > I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I > don't > > seem to be

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On 16/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering if I should take a university that doesn't need A level > maths, The University Of Bristol doesn't require A-Level maths (though it is preferred). Ranked 3rd for CS in the Times.

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> > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few years to > > get the A levels to go to a good university. > > Is it _really_ ? > > I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I don't > seem to be doing to badly as a result. I'm sure there are skills and > assets I

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Hi Matthew, On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 09:30 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: > Yes. There absolutely is. It is well worth spending those few years to > get the A levels to go to a good university. Is it _really_ ? I never went to uni, at all, neither red brick or otherwise. I don't seem to be doing to b

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On Wednesday 17 October 2007 at 10:05:48 Daniel Lamb wrote: > Go and see them both, don't only go to a uni due to their rankings. Make > sure you will be happy there as well. Couldn't agree more - you do have to live there for 3+ years! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mail

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Hi Jai, On Wednesday 17 October 2007 at 09:39:38 Jai Harrison wrote: > Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for > Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University > are you at? York is a good university for CS, and it's also a really nice uni. I'd a

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Jai Harrison wrote: > Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for > Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University > are you at? > I'm at Kent Uni doing CS and I'd definitely recommend it. The course is good and the campus is great. It's #23 on tha

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Jai, On 10/17/07, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for > Computer Science (see here: > http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER). > York is #7... am I aiming too high? > When you apply throug

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I've just been looking at the University of Manchester and I can get into the 3 year Computer Science course with a DDM (which I can scrape if I do well). Are you on the 4 year course that A level maths at B grade is also required for? I don't want to lose my chance at getting a good qualification

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t: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for Computer Science (see here: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER ). York is #7... am I aiming too high? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubunt

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I see that Manchester is #17 so it must be a good University for Computer Science (see here: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?subject=COMPUTER). York is #7... am I aiming too high? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https:/

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Walker wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:04 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: >> I'm eighteen years old and I am on the second year of a BTEC National >> Diploma for IT Practitioners. I'm looking at achieving either a DDM >> (320 UCAS points) or DMM (280

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York is a good uni, I havn't really looked into it that much. I'm at Manchester University. I'm afraid you will have to do your own research into where you want to go, I can only tell you what I went for (in my last e-mail). Regards, On 17/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I

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Well I'm interested in York Uni. What other Universities are good for Computer Science and would you generally recommend? What University are you at? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

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> Out of your experience is there a big > difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of > a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or > East Anglia? I'm prepared to take a year or two out as required to get > a few A levels on top of my BTEC is requir

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Dave Walker wrote: > One option most universities offer is an additional first year for > people that don't get grades they wanted. Another option might be > 'clearing'; but you will have to be fast. One slightly risky solution > you could follow, is to pick a similar course that has fewer entry

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Hey everyone, Thanks for your replies. I'm just running out of the door for College so I'll keep this short. Out of your experience is there a big difference between a BSc from a top University (like York) and that of a lower ranking Computer Science course at somewhere like Essex or East Anglia?

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On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:04 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: > Hey, > > I'm eighteen years old and I am on the second year of a BTEC National > Diploma for IT Practitioners. I'm looking at achieving either a DDM > (320 UCAS points) or DMM (280 UCAS points) at the end of the course. I > want to do Compu

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And don't forget, after you've got the knowledge - talk the talk too! I've known of many an educated chap get knocked to the side of the road at interview by a non degree educated/lesser qualified person, because the well studied chap lacked social skills and the ability to talk to people (especia

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u get into its not as well paid as you think. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Larsen Sent: 17 October 2007 00:06 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future On 16/10/2007, Daniel Lamb <[EM

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On 16/10/2007, Daniel Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Experience is almost as important or even more important than degrees, my > advice would be find someone in your area then get some work with them if > you can, easy than it sounds I know you might even need to do it for free > but its good to

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Experience is almost as important or even more important than degrees, my advice would be find someone in your area then get some work with them if you can, easy than it sounds I know you might even need to do it for free but its good to get experience and then you will know what you want to focus