ugnet_: [abujaNig] BUSH'S EXIT STRATEGY?

2003-11-25 Thread Mulindwa Edward
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is."--Candidate George W. Bush, criticizing Clinton's Kosovo policies, 4/9/99 By Mick Youther Before the war, they said liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Rec

ugnet_: Snake,birds disrupt court

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Snake, birds disrupt courtBy John Augustine EmojongNov 25, 2003 TORORO – Two uninvited birds and a snake disrupted a High Court Tribunal session here yesterday. The tribunal, chaired by Justice John Katutsi, is hearing a petition Tororo councillors filed against their LC-V chairman, Mr Nuwa Owo

ugnet_: Political fraud and tyranny main problem:By Dr Kizza Besigye

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Political fraud and tyranny main problem By Dr Kizza Besigye Nov 24, 2003 The debate on the need for presidential term limits and on the transition to democracy has been raging for some time now and the efforts by President Yoweri Museveni, and "Movement" leaders to remove the focus of the coun

ugnet_: Let us join in this Idd party

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Let us join in this Idd partyEditorialNov 25, 2003 The Muslim community is ending the month-long period of fasting. It will be a big party as usual. Lots of food and drink will be consumed in celebration of this religious rite that is a culmination of Ramathan. When you have gone through even a

ugnet_: Zip those lips lest a lie slips through

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
OLD MAN’S CORNER By F.D.R. Gureme Zip those lips lest a lie slips throughNov 25, 2003 Recent events brought to mind the legendary story of Warugwe (Mr Leopard) and his shrewd friend Wakami (Mr Hare). The two jointly plant some beans. Through a series of pretexts Wakami escapes all chor

ugnet_: Make sex work legal,says don.

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Make sex work legal, says don By Evelyn Lirri Nov 24, 2003 KAMPALA - Nude shows, popularly called ebimansulo are okay, Dr Sylvia Tamale has said. "I see no problem with nudity. As long as it does not harm anyone it's okay by me,'' says Tamale, a senior lecturer in the faculty of law at Makerere

ugnet_: Many students die in Moscow dormitory fire - BBC

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Last Updated: Monday, 24 November, 2003, 08:03 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Many die in Moscow dormitory fire Many were injured trying to escape the burning buildingAt least 32 people have been killed after a fire swept through a student hostel at the Pe

ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Miss Uganda

2003-11-25 Thread NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES
Ed, Just being curious; the name seems Islamic to me. Do they also fancy this kind of show?! joyficate >From: "Ed Kironde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] Miss Uganda >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:21:19 -0700 > >

ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Army Knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume

2003-11-25 Thread NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES
Shiit! This is the same negligence as that previously displayed at Lacor /Lukwiyakare in Gulu. I know Ngetta a little bit from my short time at Comboni. This is a location only five (5!!) miles from Lira Town. I recall the road there was also terraced.  It should  take a willing army on

ugnet_: Women get extra points for VC job.

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Women get extra points for VC jobBy Alex B. AtuhaireNov 25, 2003 MAKERERE – Women applying for the vice chancellor’s job at Makerere University will earn an extra 10 points. An ad hoc committee headed by Mr John Ntimba, a former minister for higher education, recommended the free points. Ntimb

ugnet_: Museveni's Movt in the grip of fiction:Letter to A Kampala Friend By Muniini K.Mulera

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Letter to A Kampala Friend By Muniini K. Mulera In Toronto Museveni's Movt in the grip of fiction Nov 24, 2003 Dear Tingasiga: A predictable aftermath of September 11, 2001 was that the world's anti-democrats would take advantage of the US-led international war against terrorism to set

ugnet_: Africa never planned for life after colonialism.

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Africa never planned for life after colonialism By Dean Mung'omba Nov 24, 2003 Weak constitutions and a prevailing disregard for the systems they create hold Africa back. The major industrialised countries have taken a hard line against Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe's deepening authoritarianism. But

ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: From Philippines, With Scrubs

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
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ugnet_: SAT's for adults too!

2003-11-25 Thread Lugemwa FN
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ugnet_: Snake causes stir in Uganda court - BBC

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Last Updated: Monday, 24 November, 2003, 14:34 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Snake causes stir in Uganda court Locals believe snakes can bring bad luckA large snake created panic when it appeared in an eastern Uganda court. Two armed men guarding the fro

ugnet_: Army Knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume

2003-11-25 Thread Chris Opoka-Okumu
We hope Col. Mugume too will be courtmartialled like they did to Corporal  (Pimundu?) and sentenced to death..Or will he?.   COO Army knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume By Emma Mutaizibwa & Joe Wacha Nov 24, 2003

ugnet_: Museveni's Movement in the grip of fiction- Muniini K. Mulera - Toronto.

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Letter to A Kampala Friend By Muniini K. Mulera In Toronto Museveni's Movt in the grip of fiction Nov 24, 2003 - Monitor Dear Tingasiga: A predictable aftermath of September 11, 2001 was that the world's anti-democrats would take advantage of the US-led international war against terror

ugnet_: SAT's for adults too!

2003-11-25 Thread Lugemwa FN
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ugnet_: Museveni now a US puppet-Byanyima

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Museveni now a US puppet - ByanyimaBy Felix Basiime Nov 24, 2003 MBARARA - Mzee Boniface Byanyima has said President Museveni has become an American puppet. "Colonialists used Obote, Amin, Binaisa as puppetsto serve their interests here, so now Museveni has joined them as an American puppet," B

ugnet_: Is it LUMUMBA?!

2003-11-25 Thread NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES
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ugnet_: SAT's for adults too!

2003-11-25 Thread Lugemwa FN
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ugnet_: Legalise Nude Shows (Ebimansulo) & Sex Work - Dr. Sylvia Tamale

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Make sex work legal, says don By Evelyn Lirri Nov 24, 2003 - Monitor KAMPALA - Nude shows, popularly called ebimansulo are okay, Dr Sylvia Tamale has said. "I see no problem with nudity. As long as it does not harm anyone it's okay by me,'' says Tamale, a senior lecturer in the faculty of law a

ugnet_: Army knew of Ngetta Attack - Col. Mugume

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Army knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume By Emma Mutaizibwa & Joe Wacha Nov 24, 2003 - Monitor LIRA - Fifth Division commander Col. John Mugume has said the army knew about the attack on Ngetta in which 12 civilians were killed. "We were informed about the attack on Ngetta," Mugume told an ang

RE: ugnet_: A PRIORITY ONE POSTING (Please foward ASAP)

2003-11-25 Thread Y Yaobang
Ed Kironde, What's the latest -- has Major Kainerugaba Muhoozi kicked the bucket? y>From: "Ed Kironde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: A PRIORITY ONE POSTING (Please foward ASAP) >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:43:07 -0700 > >Sneaker n

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2003-11-25 Thread gook makanga
Should govt give money to Tri-Star or Mukwano?By Andrew M. MwendaNov 23 - 29, 2003 Since workers at the Apparel Tri-Star plant in Bugolobi went on strike, there has been a lot of public debate on the subsidies and debt guarantees extended to the company by the government worth Shs 17 billion.

ugnet_: Gado on Political Expediency.

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 Visit Gado's Web SiteWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger

ugnet_: Museveni Now a US Puppet - Mzee Byanyima

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Museveni now a US puppet - ByanyimaBy Felix Basiime Nov 24, 2003 - Monitor MBARARA - Mzee Boniface Byanyima has said President Museveni has become an American puppet. "Colonialists used Obote, Amin, Binaisa as puppetsto serve their interests here, so now Museveni has joined them as an American

Re: ugnet_: A PRIORITY ONE POSTING (Please foward ASAP)

2003-11-25 Thread Y Yaobang
Is he dead?? y >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"John

ugnet_: Weapons of Mass Hysteria

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Weapons of Mass Hysteria By Paul Edwards t r u t h o u t | Perspective Tuesday 25 November 2003 President Bush, as the world and many Americans have long known, is a fraud and a liar. Sadly, that's no big surprise. American presidents have a long tradition of mendacity that ha

ugnet_: Mobutu's son returns to Kinshasa - BBC

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Last Updated: Monday, 24 November, 2003, 13:25 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Mobutu's son returns to Kinshasa Mobutu left his country in ruinsThe eldest son of Mobutu Sese Seko, former leader of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, has ended his six-year

ugnet_: MICHAEL JACKSON:Is Extortion or Justice?

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
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Re: ugnet_: Miss Uganda

2003-11-25 Thread Mulindwa Edward
Musambwa oba?   Em         The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"    Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Ed Kironde To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

ugnet_: Witch hunting!

2003-11-25 Thread Ochan Otim
Ecweru's statements below linking key Acoli leaders with Kony are the most outrageous I have ever read coming from a Uganda government official.  Just one example, his assertion that Joseph Kony is a younger brother to former Omoro county MP Abednego Ongom is not only unfounded, but very suspicio

ugnet_: The Agoa Girls are in Town (Tickets $50m Only - Joachim Buwembo

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Opinion - EastAfrican - Nairobi - KenyaMonday, November 24, 2003  The Agoa Girls are in Town (Tickets $50m Only!)By JOACHIM BUWEMBO If you asked an average Ugandan what Agoa means, you are likely to get one of two responses: Either they don’t know or they think it is a government factory that

ugnet_: UN Sees No Let-Up as Museveni Vows to Kill Kony

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Regional - EastAfrican - Nairobi - Kenya Monday, November 24, 2003  UN Sees No Let-Up as M7 Vows to Kill Kony A JOINT REPORT THE EASTAFRICAN WITH THE Ugandan government under increasing domestic and international pressure to find a solution to the war in the north, the United Nations last week

ugnet_: Leak of Constitutional Draft Alarm Ugandan Officials

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Regional - EastAfrican - Nairobi - KenyaMonday, November 24, 2003  Leak of Constitutional Draft Alarms Ugandan OfficialsBy GERTRUDE KAMUZE THE EASTAFRICAN FOLLOWING THE leakage of information from a confidential report still under compilation by the Constitution Review Commission (CRC), the go

ugnet_: LRA War Affects Us All

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Editorial - EastAfrican - Nairobi - KenyaMonday, November 24, 2003  LRA War Affects Us AllLast week, a group of about 30 Ugandan Members of Parliament walked out of the House to protest the government's failure to end the rebel war being waged in the north of the country by the Lord's Resistanc

ugnet_: Bwindi Killings: Surrendered Rebel Leader to be Quizzed

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Regional - EastAfrican - Nairobi - Kenya Monday, November 24, 2003  Bwindi Killings: Surrendered Rebel Leader to be QuizzedBy ARTHUR ASIIMWE THE EASTAFRICAN THE RECENT surrender of a Rwandan rebel commander could help bring to justice Interahamwe militia fugitives responsible for the murder of

ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: Make Eid a public holiday in Canada.(The facade of multiculturalism/apertheid put to test)

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Please go all the miles to improve relations between the citizens.That is within your purview and nobody including me,will and has the powers to deny you that. Wallow in the delight of your thought and continue to have half full glasses.The choice resides with you. All I say is wish you success. T

Re: ugnet_: Witch hunting!

2003-11-25 Thread Jglechoofanopoitawodiyahmapachicha
To me I really do not care whether who is related to who. But the politics of relatives ready for slaughter by NRM intrigues me. This wave of Eweru-relationship type  of politics is not new in the NRM camp. You should just understand why your  brother was killed because of may be your politi

ugnet_: Taban Amin willing to go and meet Joseph Kony

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Taban To Meet Kony - New Vision - 25th November 2003 DETERMINED: Taban Amin meeting journalists at Acholi Inn, Gulu yesterday By Justin Moro and Dennis Ojwee TABAN Amin, son to the late president Idi Amin yesterday said he was willing to go to Joseph Kony’s military camp at Baraak State

ugnet_: The Museveni Succession and the Devil We Know

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Opinion - EastAfrican - Nairobi - KenyaMonday, November 24, 2003  The M-7 Succession and the Devil We KnowBy CHARLES ONYANGO-OBBO Ugandan politics, always exciting and volatile, served up more drama last week. The Monitor, which has long been tormented by the Kampala government and remains th

ugnet_: Africa Aids Crisis Getting Worse - BBC

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Last Updated: Tuesday, 25 November, 2003, 17:10 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Africa Aids crisis getting worse - BBC By Grant Ferrett BBC Africa reporter In its annual report on HIV and Aids, the United Nations agency, UNAids, once again highlights sub-S

ugnet_: Commonwealth Summit Shuns Mugabe - BBC

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Last Updated: Tuesday, 25 November, 2003, 18:05 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Commonwealth summit shuns Mugabe Mr Mugabe's attendance would see boycotts by other nationsZimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has not been invited to the Commonwealth summit mee

ugnet_: Soccer Fans: Uganda team leaves early for Sudan tourney

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Soccer - Daily Nation Web - Nairobi -KenyaWednesday, November 26, 2003  Uganda team leaves early for Sudan tourneyBy NATION Correspondent  Uganda national team, the Cranes, left yesterday for the Senior Challenge Cup tournament in Sudan. The Cranes made the early trip without three dependable

ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: Missing Links Found

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
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ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: Scaring Up Votes

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
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ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Editorial  Wednesday, November 26, 2003  Apt lesson for our tyrantsWhen he was President Mikhail Gorbachev's Foreign Minister - just before the Soviet Union broke up into tens of independent republics - Eduard Shevardnadze was among the world's most respected statesmen. But, apparently, power

ugnet_: THE CONGO GENOCIDE THAT LIES UNDER THE CARPET

2003-11-25 Thread Mulindwa Edward
  The Congo Genocide That Lies Under the Carpet African Church Information Service ANALYSISNovember 24, 2003 Posted to the web November 24, 2003 By Nernlor GruduahNairobi In the course of the two wars the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has undergone since 1996, there have been two g

Re: ugnet_: Army Knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume

2003-11-25 Thread Mulindwa Edward
COO   No Col.Mugume will neither be court-martialled nor shot at firing squad, for he is a not a Northerner.   Em       The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"    Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans

ugnet_: 97.5% of Banyoro 'lost' in Kabalega's wars; how many will die in Kony's?

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
  Ear to The Ground By Charles Onyango-Obbo 97.5% of Banyoro ‘lost’ in Kabalega wars; how many will die in Kony’s?Nov 26, 2003 - Monitor When 34 MPs from the north walked out of Parliament demanding that the government do more to deal with the suffering of the people in the region becau

ugnet_: Muslims pray for end to Kony war

2003-11-25 Thread Omar Kezimbira
Muslims pray for end of Kony warBy Monitor TeamNov 26, 2003 - Monitor KAMPALA – Muslims yesterday celebrated the Idd feast with prayers for peace in northern Uganda. The celebrations crown the Muslim holy month of Ramadan that is observed with fasting and self-restraint from all pleasure. Acros

Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
Eduard just may be an example of a person being promoted beyond his competence. Original Message Follows From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Apt lesson for

ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] Fredom is not absolute even in America-Opondo

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
Mw. Oryema, We used this very poem during the time when Obote's goons were decimating us in the infamous "Luweero Triangle" in the early 1980s. I thnk it was around the time this monster swore that he would turn the entire District of West Nile into a National Park! Funny how some things never cha

Fwd: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: Scaring Up Votes

2003-11-25 Thread J Ssemakula
Original Message Follows From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: Scaring Up Votes Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:14:12 + Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The cl

Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants

2003-11-25 Thread Y Yaobang
Sounds like dictator Musevenic of Uganda to me! y >From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:09:43 + > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online

Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants

2003-11-25 Thread Mitayo Potosi
The liberation forces in South Africa WERE NOT at the point of throwing in the towel in the struggle against apartheid. It was Eduard Shevardnadze as a matter of curtesy who invited them and told them "Guys you have a month to work out some accomodation with the apartheid regime. After that dont

ugnet_: Global AIDS epidemic rampant:kills more people this year than ever before

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Global AIDS epidemic rampant: kills more people this year than ever beforeat 12:29 on November 25, 2003, EST.  LONDON (AP) - International efforts to control the spread of HIV/AIDS are failing, with more people dying from the disease this year than ever before and as many as 46 million people

ugnet_: Museveni backs new family laws

2003-11-25 Thread Owor Kipenji
Museveni backs new family lawsBy Halima AbdallaNov 26, 2003 Agrees with clergy on bimansulo dance KAMPALA – President Museveni hosted Muslim leaders to a feast at the Nile Hotel Gardens on Monday night. It was the President’s third annual Iftar (pre-Idd night meal to break the fast) with Muslim

Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants (like Musevenic!)

2003-11-25 Thread Y Yaobang
Ugandans, why are you not rising up now against dictator Musevenic? It's your turn, the Georgians did it y     >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Apt lesso

ugnet_: Hullo

2003-11-25 Thread Mitayo Potosi
Dear Sofie Anyomokolo, This is just a hello to, again, wish you the best while you stay below the 49th parallel. Today we had our first snow in Toronto. This year it has come early. And don't worry about some stuffed-shirt fellows on Acholinet. Such will always be with us. Afraid of anybody w

Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] Fredom is not absolute even in America-Opondo

2003-11-25 Thread Y Yaobang
J Ssemakula: Why dont you blame Museveni on Luwero? Your postings are so biased! Also, you state "... Fortunately, this time around, there is much more wider knowledge of the tragedy in in Northern Uganda, only the international community does not seem to be terribly interested in our misery...".