Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/14/2014 09:02 AM, Giles Davis wrote: > Nick Hilliard wrote: >> It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with >> no urpf can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. >> >> This means that there's only a requirement to have a single >> unscrupulous or incompetent

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/14/2014 06:54 AM, Giles Davis wrote: > Keith Mitchell wrote: >> But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service >> that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even >> seen "QOTD" (UDP 17). >> Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Giles Davis
Nick Hilliard wrote: > It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with no urpf > can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. > > This means that there's only a requirement to have a single unscrupulous or > incompetent ISP with GE in the world to allow a devastating DoS

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 14/02/2014 11:54, Giles Davis wrote: > Keith Mitchell wrote: >> Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more badly then ever :-( >> > It really is. It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with no urpf can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. Th

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Giles Davis
Keith Mitchell wrote: > But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service > that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even > seen "QOTD" (UDP 19). > > > > Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more badly then ever :-( > It really is. Gla

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread James Davis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/2014 18:04, Robin Williams wrote: > It'd also be good to discuss merging data from these projects into > an upstream 'open-generalbadstuff-project'. shadowserver are putting some source of open dns resolvers into their reports and I'm sure t

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Weeks
--- peter.kn...@ccsleeds.co.uk wrote: From: Peter Knapp It would also be useful to be able to run resolver scans via ASN or larger block reports too. Limited to a /22 takes a fair old while. - For the NTP thingie, use this: http://openn

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Peter Knapp
: Keith Mitchell Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution ! On 13/02/14 17:14, Keith Mitchell wrote: > On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote: >> List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/ > Also http://www.openresolverproject.org > >

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/13/2014 01:04 PM, Robin Williams wrote: > It'd be nice to be able to automatically pull the full lists from > these various scanning projects to use in statistical analysis as > part of DDoS mitigation (i.e. if my traffic has just shot up and the > majority of it is coming from IPs listed

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Robin Williams
On 13/02/14 17:14, Keith Mitchell wrote: On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote: List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/ Also http://www.openresolverproject.org But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service that can do amplification is in play,

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote: > List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/ Also http://www.openresolverproject.org But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even seen "QOTD

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread James Davis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2014 23:07, Robin Williams wrote: > Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the > same over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from > automated (& cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably > instigated by s

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Wright, Matthew
Sent: 12 February 2014 23:28 To: robin.willi...@tnp.net.uk Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution ! Hi Robin, On 12 Feb 2014, at 23:07, Robin Williams wrote: > Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over > the last few we

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Thomas Mangin
Hi Robin, On 12 Feb 2014, at 23:07, Robin Williams wrote: > Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over > the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated (& cheap!) > online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by students who have had > enough

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Robin Williams
Hi Thomas, Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated (& cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by students who have had enough of their IT lessons). We've also been forced to script

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Thomas Mangin
As I have been asked off-line quite a few times : We wrote it to complement NFSEN. You can only search NFSEN once the data has been fully analysed. It mean that most of the time you have to wait a few minutes. We were seeing 15 mns DDOS, at least twice a day. By the time we had identified the D

[uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Thomas Mangin
Hello, Because : - Exa has been under attack way too much these last weeks - We hate to have to deal with it Because: - Andrisoft seems cool but does not do FlowSpec - Arbor is known for its price (and features) - I am from Yorkshire (How much do you pay me to find bugs in your shinny appli