On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 08:20:21PM -0800, Erik Garr?s wrote:
> Why the improvement?: To be able to store music (not symbols) in a condensed
> format into electronic media, so the players will "talk" what is written in
> "muscial language" (like some software do speaking phrases in some
> langua
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:41:33PM -0800, Erik Garr?s wrote:
> The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are missing, and they are
> specially needed on chinesse because they don't have alphabet, so they need
> them as a graphical representation.
Unicode (and most legacy character sets)
Am 2001-01-24 um 7:37 h UCT hat David Starner geschrieben:
> Unicode is not a rich text format, nor a format for storing music. The
> symbols being encoded are for discussion in text, not for music storage.
And as primitives for a (forthcoming?) format to store music scores:
"higher-level protoco
At 20:16 -0800 2001/1/22, Curtis Clark wrote:
>First the off-topic; private responses, please.
>
>My wife has a ring of modern manufacture that has the lower-case
>Greek delta-iota-alpha, with circumflex on the iota. The catalog
>blurb represents the word as meaning "goddess". My textbook (Chase
Erik Garrés wrote:
> The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are
> missing, and they are specially needed on chinesse
> because they don't have alphabet, so they need
> them as a graphical representation.
Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is
certai
They appear to be all there, I checked the follwing:
K 9240
Ca 9223
Sc 9227
Ti 9226
V 91E9
Cr 927B
Mn 9333
Fe 9421
Co 9237
Michael
Ar 01:05 -0800 2001-01-24, scríobh Marco Cimarosti:
>Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is
>certainly written somewhere in all Chinese hospitals), so it would surprise
>me if they are not in Unicode.
There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write
This, I had inadvertently sent privately, when I meant
to send it to the list. This happens all the time, because
the Unicode list does not set the reply address con-
veniently (I hesitate to write "correctly", as that is
subject to debate).
--- Forwarded mail from Otto Stolz
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2
Michael Everson wrote:
> There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write
> this with LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO.
I think there is a misunderstanding, probably on my side.
In his Spanish version, Erik claimed that the chemical elements were missing
"en el contexto de lo
Edward Cherlin wrote:
> That leaves dialytika,
The same (in every respect) as Latin diaeresis.
> prosgegrammeni,
A neologism (AFAIK) of the Unicode Standard: the small lowercase
iota used in place of hypogegrammeni (iota subscript) in titlecase
text. (In archaic text, which is all-uppercase b
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* ESPAÑOL *
***
Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxígeno",
"Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de
los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O" para Oxígeno, "Au"
para Oro, etc.
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* ENGLIS
There are two problems with IDS in Unicode 3.1:
1) The new unified ideographs U+2 to U+2A6D6 need to be added to the
formal grammar of IDSes. The new compatibility ideographs
U+2F800 to U+2FA1D should be explicitly excluded from IDSes.
This is editorial.
2) TUS 3.0 says (p. 271):
# An impl
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Erik Garrés wrote:
> ***
> * ESPAÑOL *
> ***
>
> Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxígeno",
> "Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de
> los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O"
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:
> I have a chinese periodic table (in the back of my dictionary). In this
> table, the chinese character for each element is displayed prominently,
> while the occidental symbol is written in small type in an angle.
An addition: in the body of the
By "archaic text," I assume you mean when one wishes to represent the way
e.g. Pindar would have spelled (he would not have used the 24 letter
alphabet, anyway; a number of characters were added in the late 5th century,
the "classical" period that usually begins after the "archaic" period ends
in
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Erik Garrés wrote:
> Marco Cimarosti wrote :
> >Or did you compare the whole periodical table against the whole CJK blocks
> >in Unicode? In this case, could you mention a few chemical elements whose
> >names are missing?
>
> Maybe they have strokes for the name of the elemen
As ussual: Version in english and spanish
Como acostumbro: Version en inglés y español
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* ESPAÑOL *
***
Ahora que gracias a Pierpaolo BERNARDI que encontró un libro (diccionario)
en lo que se muestra lo que comentaba, cabe hacer otra pregunta, ¿sólo en
chino sucede esto, o es
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Thomas Chan wrote:
> Characters which are potentially missing include:
>
> - Characters for elements with atomic numbers above 103 (in either
> traditional or simplified forms, if applicable). These are recent,
> and there have been multiple names for some of the
On Wednesday, January 24, 2001, at 05:08 AM, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> So I understood that he was talking about the specialized ideographs
> needed
> to write the *names* of chemical elements in Chinese, and I was
> explaining
> that they are not missing, just buried somewhere in the huge CJK
On Wednesday, January 24, 2001, at 06:42 AM, John Cowan wrote:
> Therefore, it would be useful to allow ZW(N)J in IDSes in order
> to encourage or inhibit this ligaturing behavior. Adding
> a rule
>
I'm going to disagree here. I've long maintained that ligature control
doesn't belong in plai
The Unicode case mapping in Mozilla implementation is pretty compact and
open source. The whole case mappint table only take 1.2 K of memory. Read
http://people.netscape.com/ftang/paper/unicode17/case/ for details.
Markus Scherer wrote:
> ICU stores most UnicodeData.txt properties in its upro
[ iso-8859-1 ]
Erik Garrés escribo/wrote:
>
> * ESPAÑOL *
> ***
> ¿sólo en chino sucede esto, o es en todos los idiomas que utilizan trazos
> (Tamil, Japonés, etc), alfabeto cirílico (como el Ruso), alfabeto griego,
> en todos los idiomas que no usan el alfabeto latino ?
Tamiz no utiliz
Marco said:
> Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is
> certainly written somewhere in all Chinese hospitals), so it would surprise
> me if they are not in Unicode.
>
And the ideographs for the elemental gasses, too, are encoded:
H 6C2B
He 6C26
N 6C2E
Ne 6
Exactly: Tamil does not use strokes (it is not ideographic, is not built
from radicals) or a bar (like e.g. Devanagari does); or, as far as I can
remember, even ligatures. The characters are rounded (this is supposedly a
consequence of the original writing medium when the Tamil syllabary was
deve
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility.
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John Jenkins wrote:
> [B]ut in
> any event the basic stance we've taken in the past has consistently been
> that there is no expectation that IDSs will *ever* be rendered as single
> glyphs.
That is not what the Unicode Standard 3.0 says. It says that an IDS
may be rendered either as a sequ
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, John Cowan wrote:
> Kenneth Whistler wrote:
>
> > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
>
> No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility.
Yes, seems that the new charts are only reachable throught the links in
TR-27.
CJK people usually write notations like H, O, Oâ, COâ, and so on and
at the same time, usually also write and speak names like äºé
¸åçç´ or
ì´ì°ííì if I remember correctly for instance for Carbon Dioxide instead of
speaking "Carbon Dioxide" unless you need to communicate with per
That ypogegrammeni/prosgegrammeni thing keeps cropping up, it seems. Looks
like a real stumbling block. I learned a lot during a discussion we had
about it on this list a few months ago.
You may want to refer to the following paper on (ancient + modern) Greek
typesetting and Unicode:
http://gene
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't
> > have TUS handy in this moment.
>
> http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition)
>
> and
>
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (f
> > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't
> > > have TUS handy in this moment.
> >
> > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition)
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
As n
Pierpaolo BERNARDI asked,
>I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
Not yet. There are plans to do so as time permits.
Julie Allen
Editor, Unicode, Inc.
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> >
> > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
>
> No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
> software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
> to convert that software to produce a postable .pdf file, so t
Richard Cook wrote:
>
> Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> > >
> > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
> >
> > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
> > software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
> > to convert that software t
It doesn't add any value to insert joiners. Just add the IDS itself to the
font table.
Mark
- Original Message -
From: "John Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 11:21
Subject: Re: Unicode 3.1: IDS and ZW(N)J
> John Jenkins
> > Kenneth Whistler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
> > >
> > > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
> > > software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
> > > to convert that software to produce
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write this [chemical
>elements] with LATIN
>CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO.
If this is true, why was aproved the U+338E?
Note: U+338E is similar to "mg"
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