Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Tex Texin
Mark, ok thanks. XML restricts the character set which by implication restricts the NCR values. I see that > can't use an NCR but < can. tex Mark Davis wrote: > > Take a look at the XML standard. > > Mark > - Original Message - > From: "Tex Texin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi. I am not s

RE: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Christopher J Fynn
Mark Davies wrote: << Take a look at the XML standard. Mark >> The thread was discussing HTML. Are there any restrictions on numeric character references in the *HTML* standard? - Chris

RE: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Christopher J Fynn
Gaute B Strokkenes wrote: << ... That's the only benefit that Unicode and UTF-8 will bring to email: the ability to mix and match characters from all scripts of all sizes and shapes in a single message. OTOH, for those of us who need this it's a big advantage. >> There are also a number of scri

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Mark Davis
Take a look at the XML standard. Mark - Original Message - From: "Tex Texin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 21:15 Subject: Re: Is there Unicode mail out there? > Mark,

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Tex Texin
Mark, Hi. I am not sure why you say this. < is often used for "<" but < works in both IE 5 and Netscape 4.7. shows a box though... But I was not aware of any restrictions on numeric character references. Is there a list of restrictions somewhere? tex Mark Davis wrote: > > No, but it is for

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Gaute B Strokkenes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > How about just supporting these: ISO646-PT, ISO10646-UTF-1, >> > NATS-SEFI and HP-DeskTop? >> >> I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Assuming these are >> properly registered charsets, it seems like a very narrow range to >> support. >

Re: Eudora (was: Is there Unicode mail out there?)

2001-07-14 Thread Gaute B Strokkenes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2001-07-13 17:32:55 Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> IIRC Euro (i.e. ISO-8859-1) support will be mandated by the >> EU in one form or another (i.e. governmental agencies will not be >> allowed to use soft

Re: COMMERCIAL AT

2001-07-14 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 11:51:29AM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: >and Russians a dog. Food offers other tantalizing metaphors. Swedes >have borrowed the cinnamon bun ("kanelbulle"). Czechs have been >inspired by the rolled pickled herring ("zavinac") commonly eaten in >Prague's pubs. . . Aha!

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread David Starner
From: Gaute B Strokkenes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: Gaute B Strokkenes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> No way. Any mail client that is sufficiently clever to understand > >> UTF-8 should understand all valid and registered MIME-charsets. > >> After all,

Compressing Unicode [was: A UTF-8 based News Service]

2001-07-14 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
[sorry if you receive this twice -- wee little problem with my mailer] D> Recently I created a test file of all Unicode characters in code D> point order (excluding the surrogates, but including all the other D> non-characters). I will admit up front that this is a pathological D> test case and

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
At 12:03 2001-07-13 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Unfortunately, the Windows world has no concept of a Last Resort font. It >would certainly seem to be a useful solution in cases like this. Does a PostScript, Type 1, version of such a font exist for download somewhere? Adam --- http://phonec

RE: Wordprocessors in Korean

2001-07-14 Thread Chris Pratley
For Word2000 or Word2002, if you have the Korean retail package, there is a CD included that has all the software you need. If you have another version, such as English, I just checked and unfortunately this seems to be an exception - I do not see this tool in the Proofing Tools kit or Multilangua

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Then it's not standard and can't be relied upon. Pity. Actually, it is a standard, as of HTML 4.0. All you need is compliant browser. MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. http://www.trigeminal.com/

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
michka the only book on internationalization in VB at http://www.i18nWithVB.com/ - Original Message - From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Is there Unicode mail out there? > At 09:49 -0700 2001-07-14, Ma

RE: Eudora (was: Is there Unicode mail out there?)

2001-07-14 Thread Carl W. Brown
Gaute, > > > I have no problem sending it our with a " Windows-1252" character > > set. If you convert to iso-8859-1 you lose characters that is just > > as bad as sending Windows-1252 out as iso-8859-1. > > No. Conversion to ISO-8859-1 is better, since the result is actually > a valid, meanin

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:49 -0700 2001-07-14, Mark Davis wrote: > > >Maybe writing the value as an HTML numeric character reference (e.g. > > >€) would also make it easier for processes reading files > > >saved by the mailer > > >to recover the character. > > > > Perhaps I have been asleep, but is that notati

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Daniel Biddle
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:10:15PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > At 11:07 -0400 2001-07-13, Tex Texin wrote: > > >Maybe writing the value as an HTML numeric character reference (e.g. > >€) would also make it easier for processes reading files > >saved by the mailer > >to recover the character

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Mark Davis
No, but it is for the vast majority. Some have to be written specially, e.g. < Some cannot be written at all, e.g. U+0007 (but U+0087 can be!) Mark - Original Message - From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 05:10 Subject: Re:

Re: COMMERCIAL AT

2001-07-14 Thread akerbeltz.alba
Not quite ... we call it Klammeraffe ... now how do you translate that? Bracket-monkey? Mar sin leibh Mìcheal - Original Message - From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: COMMERCIAL AT > From TYPO-L: > > Date

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:07 -0400 2001-07-13, Tex Texin wrote: >Maybe writing the value as an HTML numeric character reference (e.g. >€) would also make it easier for processes reading files >saved by the mailer >to recover the character. Perhaps I have been asleep, but is that notation (&#X;) valid HTML fo

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread Gaute B Strokkenes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > From: Gaute B Strokkenes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> No way. Any mail client that is sufficiently clever to understand >> UTF-8 should understand all valid and registered MIME-charsets. >> After all, conversion libraries are both widely available and eas

COMMERCIAL AT

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Everson
>From TYPO-L: Date:Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:40:30 -0400 From:Randal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: @ Long Last A Brief History of @, by Bruno Giussani, May 07 2001 The man who first put the @ sign into the structure of e-mail addresses was Ray Tomlinson, a computer engineer who in 1971 per

Re: Is there Unicode mail out there?

2001-07-14 Thread David Starner
From: Gaute B Strokkenes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No way. Any mail client that is sufficiently clever to understand > UTF-8 should understand all valid and registered MIME-charsets. After > all, conversion libraries are both widely available and easy to use. Do you know of any that actually do? Ho