RE: Planning a "Unicode Only" Week

2001-11-28 Thread Christopher J Fynn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I think maybe that encoding (on the Internet) does not much > matter. As long as my browser knows that it is looking at > Unicode, it knows which, say, SJIS, character to look up in the > font to display. Must have table lookup or something. Encoding on the Internet *does

Re: Planning a "Unicode Only" Week

2001-11-28 Thread juuichiketajin
I think maybe that encoding (on the Internet) does not much matter. As long as my browser knows that it is looking at Unicode, it knows which, say, SJIS, character to look up in the font to display. Must have table lookup or something. -Original Message- From: Daniel Yacob <[EMAIL PROT

Planning a "Unicode Only" Week

2001-11-28 Thread Daniel Yacob
Greetings, A number of the Ethiopian language news services have tentatively planned for a "Unicode Only" week during the first week of January. Service in all other encoding systems would be suspended during the week. The intention is to give users a gentle push to download and install a Unico

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Handled this way, the abstract characters become something similar to the > keystrokes of a CJK input method: you press many keys, and you get a single > blob. Once this blob (an ideograph) is on your screen, you can keep it or > delete it, but you ha

Re: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 04:09 AM 11/28/01 -0800, James Kass wrote: >Is the repha supposed to be a spacing mark? If not, doesn't a non-spacing >mark need to be applied to a space or spacing mark to avoid display >problems? The Unicode standard states that if you *intend* to show it in isolation, you should make it f

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:32 PM 11/28/01 +0100, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >I don't think that Unicode requires that a non spacing mark *has* to be >placed on something in order to be displayable. However, some fonts may >chose to represent a stand-alone non spacing mark as floating on some >default glyph, for either te

FW: Web Globalization and Unicode Experts to Meet in Washington, D.C.

2001-11-28 Thread Misha . Wolf
- Forwarded by Misha Wolf/LON/GB/Reuters on 28/11/2001 20:12 - Tex Texin

Re: FW: Query !!

2001-11-28 Thread Jungshik Shin
> -Original Message- > From: VANDANA AGRAWAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > I need to upload a .txt file having chinese characters > to mainframes. > Using windows2000 i am able to see the chinese > characters in the notepad, but when i upload it to > mainframes and see the same file in chi

FW: Query !!

2001-11-28 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- From: VANDANA AGRAWAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Query !! Hello, I need to upload a .txt file having chinese characters to mainframes. Using windows2000 i am able to see the chinese characters

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Marco Cimarosti
John Hudson wrote: > Or prajnyenaatmanaasmaallokaadutkramyamusminsvarge ! OK, you win. I haven't a longer one. > Marco, my comment was tangential to the overall discussion, > and wasn't > intended to divert your 'slow-motion' and very interesting analysis. > > >And Indian users too shouldn't

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread pani
Hello, I agree with Mr. Hudson and Mr. Banerjee. The discussion would be more interesting to consider and also would have more convincing reasons to invite attentions if there had been really any implementation available with editing level rendering. The glyph based editing would certainly be

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > At 12:14 +0100 2001-11-28, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > > >And Indian users too shouldn't be forced to process strings > of *abstract* > >characters into their heads! > > Indian users have been using the ISCII model for decades. OK. I spent only a few days in India, so I t

RE: RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Dhrubajyoti Banerjee wrote: > >1.3: a | repha na > >1.7: a l- | na > > Which should be, > 1.3: a ra virama |na > 1.7: a la virama | na OK, this sounds better. The difference is that, in the second version, the cursor itself is interpreted as if it was a ZWNJ. So the "virama" (halant) reveals i

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:14 +0100 2001-11-28, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >And Indian users too shouldn't be forced to process strings of *abstract* >characters into their heads! Indian users have been using the ISCII model for decades. Ever see a Hindi mechanical typewriter layout? -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typ

E-mail addresses for Viet-Std and TriChlor

2001-11-28 Thread DougEwell2
Does anyone know the current e-mail addresses for either the Vietnamese Standardization Group (Viet-Std) or their reputedly non-profit spinoff, the TriChlor Group? The commonly referenced addresses based at haydn.stanford.edu seem to be non-functional. Viet-Std is responsible for codifying th

Re: RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Dhrubajyoti Banerjee
Hi, I am sorry for the delay. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 Marco Cimarosti wrote : > > Or, in terms of backing store: > > >a ra virama ja -u | na > >a ra virama ja | na > >a ra virama | na > >a ra | na > >a | na > >a la | na > >a la virama | na > >

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread John Hudson
At 03:14 11/28/2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >Ken's and my discussion is a sort of slow-motion analysis of what goes on >while typing text. We used a short word just in order to keep the example >short. But feel free to apply the same concepts to cases such as >"Bhagavadgitopanishad" Or prajnyena

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread John Hudson
At 03:32 11/28/2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >James Kass wrote: > > Is the repha supposed to be a spacing mark? If not, doesn't > > a non-spacing mark need to be applied to a space or spacing > > mark to avoid display problems? > >I don't think that Unicode requires that a non spacing mark *has*

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Marco Cimarosti
John Hudson wrote: > >Eight keystrokes to replace a single character isn't exactly > what I would > >call an efficient solution. [...] At this > conditions, it would be > >simpler to delete the whole words and type it from scratch. > > FWIW: > This is exactly what a lot of people would do, even

RE: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Marco Cimarosti
James Kass wrote: > Is the repha supposed to be a spacing mark? If not, doesn't > a non-spacing mark need to be applied to a space or spacing > mark to avoid display problems? I don't think that Unicode requires that a non spacing mark *has* to be placed on something in order to be displayable.

Re: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread James Kass
I just wrote, > ...need to be applied to a space or spacing mark to avoid display... should be "space or spacing *glyph*". Best regards, James Kass.

Re: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread James Kass
Asmus Freytag wrote, > At 12:37 PM 11/27/01 -0800, James Kass wrote: > >Isn't that where it belongs? Default display for isolated combining > >marks shows them with the dotted circle. > > No it does not. That's an artifact of the Unicode code chart notation. > > 25CC in many fonts (and in the

Re: Indic editing (was: RE: The real solution)

2001-11-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:37 PM 11/27/01 -0800, James Kass wrote: >Isn't that where it belongs? Default display for isolated combining >marks shows them with the dotted circle. No it does not. That's an artifact of the Unicode code chart notation. 25CC in many fonts (and in the charts for that matter) looks differ