Re: Private Use Group

2002-06-29 Thread William Overington
Yes, a separate list for discussing uses of the Private Use Area would be a good idea. I think a good first step would be to enquire of Sarasvati as to whether she would kindly agree to starting a Unicode Private Use Area list to which interested people could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to whic

Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread William Overington
Marco Cimarosti wrote as follows. >William Overington wrote: >> The occurrence of red words raises an interesting aspect of >> this discussion in that a chromatic font would be needed >> for the full stop character when decorated [...] > >A chromatic font in *conjunction* with markup, of course.

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread William Overington
> OK, here are the details. I'm reluctant to admit having been >part of this "experiment," since it is now being presented as evidence >to support the proliferation of private-use ligatures. Actually, no. What I am seeking to use it as evidence for is the addition of ligatures such as ct to the

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread James Kass
Doug Ewell wrote, > ... > On 2002-05-31, I wrote a response which ended "Respectfully, Doug," > except that I used William's code point U+E707 in place of the letters > "ct." My intent was that everyone on the Unicode list, including > William, would see "Respefully," thus demonstrating the lac

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Doug Ewell
William Overington wrote: > My point in citing The Respectfully Experiment in the recent post is > that even though the reasons for not including any more ligatures in > Unicode may have seemed totally reasonable at the time that that > decision was made, the idea of James Kass that the glyphs f

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "William Overington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research > This isn't limited to ligatures, either. Font desi

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Curtis Clark
William Overington wrote: > This post makes the scientific > situation quite clear Several others have taken you to task for using English words with your own private meaning, rather than a generally accepted meaning that can be shared by all on the list. "Science" is one of those words. Scien

Acrobat, Unicode, Advanced usage

2002-06-29 Thread Tex Texin
I was about to purchase Acrobat to make some pdfs of files that make advanced usage of Unicode, and then it occured to me I don't know that much about Acrobat's technology. Does it work from the graphical images produced by other programs and turn them into PDF format or does it get more involved

Re: Private Use Group

2002-06-29 Thread Peter_Constable
On 06/29/2002 04:50:52 AM "William Overington" wrote: >Yes, a separate list for discussing uses of the Private Use Area would be a >good idea. > >I think a good first step would be to enquire of Sarasvati as to whether she >would kindly agree to starting a Unicode Private Use Area list I am inc

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Peter_Constable
On 06/28/2002 11:34:35 PM "Doug Ewell" wrote: > OK, here are the details... OK, now I know the cha of events that he was referrg to, and I'm def itely cled to agree that it was complete cocidence. It is trivial,  fact, to disprove the hypothesis that the "experiment" supposedly proved.

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Peter_Constable
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Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Peter_Constable
On 06/29/2002 04:47:17 AM "William Overington" wrote: >This use of two routes to the same glyph in an OpenType font, one newer >method together with one older method, seems to me to be a development, >which James Kass thought of, I can assure you, the idea did not originate with James Kass, and

Re: Private Use Group

2002-06-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:50 +0100 2002-06-29, William Overington wrote: >I think a good first step would be to enquire of Sarasvati as to whether she >would kindly agree to starting a Unicode Private Use Area list to which >interested people could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to which list >each person on this pre

Re: Japanese Web pages in Unicode?

2002-06-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:46 +0900 2002-06-29, Dan Kogai wrote: >Though I second the concepts of Unicode, I see no reasons why we >have to default everything to Unicode; Even Europeans and Americans >wouldn't buy that idea so long as ISO-8859-1 is enough. It's not enough for European use. Apart from Greek and C

Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:05 +0100 2002-06-29, William Overington wrote: > >Therefore, color decoration is an issue only for *fonts* and/or *rich* text > >systems, not for Unicode or *plain* text encoding. > >Well, why? Surely a decorated full stop could be in a plain text file being >displayed in a program which

Re: Japanese Web pages in Unicode?

2002-06-29 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Japanese Web pages in Unicode? > It's not enough for European use. Apart from Greek and Cyrillic, > Latin requirements in Northern and Eastern Euro

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Saturday, June 29, 2002, at 06:41 AM, James Kass wrote: > > This is a display issue rather than an encoding one. Unicode already > provides for the correct encoding of the "ct" ligature with the > ZWJ "character". Anyone wishing to correctly display the "ct" > ligature might need to use a "

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread John H. Jenkins
Hmm. Disregard the last message from me. It isn't "ct" you're replacing. See how annoying this all is? :-) == John H. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jenkins/

Re: (long) Re: Chromatic font research

2002-06-29 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Saturday, June 29, 2002, at 03:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 06/28/2002 11:34:35 PM "Doug Ewell" wrote: > >> OK, here are the details... > > OK, now I know the cha of events that he was referrg to, and I'm def > itely cled to agree that it was complete cocidence. It is trivial

Re: Japanese Web pages in Unicode?

2002-06-29 Thread $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B
>From: Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Japanese Web pages in Unicode? >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:40:40 +0100 > >At 08:46 +0900 2002-06-29, Dan Kogai wrote: > >>Though I second the concepts of Unicode, I see no reasons why we >>have to default everything