Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-03 Thread William Overington
Sean Palmer raises some interesting matters. >I came across the following point in the Unicode FAQ that explains why the >Unicode standard does not contain any characters for digraphs:- > >http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/ligature_digraph.html#3 > Is a digraph exactly the same as a ligature, o

A new word for the English language

2002-08-03 Thread William Overington
holomap Verb, transitive. To provide, in relation to a glyph within a font used in a computer system where such glyph is included in the font so as to be accessed by a font table substitution route, a direct code point access route to the glyph. Word coined by William Overington on 31 July 2002

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-03 Thread James Kass
William Overington wrote, > Is a digraph exactly the same as a ligature, or is there some difference > please? A digraph is a string of letters consisting of two letters. A ligature is a special presentation form of a string where the letters connect in some fashion. Some digraphs have been

Re: A new word for the English language

2002-08-03 Thread Peter_Constable
On 08/03/2002 03:30:17 AM "William Overington" wrote: "A new word for the English language" Correction: a new word for William Overington's ideolect. We don't need a new word coined for this purpose. Those of us involved in font development and the digital font industry have managed fine withou

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-03 Thread Peter_Constable
On 08/03/2002 03:32:54 AM "William Overington" wrote: >Actually, I have suggested some code points in relation to this in the >following document.   William, it seems like every time you contribute to a thread, you are suggesting new code points. There are no new code points needed for digraphs.

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-03 Thread Tex Texin
William, fyi, definitions can be found in the Unicode glossary http://www.unicode.org/glossary (They are helpful and easy to access although I often find them weak or wanting.) digraph http://www.unicode.org/glossary/#digraph Digraph. A pair of signs or symbols (two graphs), which together repr

Re: A new word for the English language

2002-08-03 Thread Tex Texin
William, Peter, Unlike Peter, I wouldn't object to a new term with a precise meaning, as it might be useful, even if it's absence hasn't been a problem to date. However, I have to agree with Peter the name seems very inappropriate as the roots do not easily map onto existing concepts, and there

Re: A new word for the English language

2002-08-03 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Tex Texin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Simply throwing out terms and definitions, without > establishing a need and ignoring existing industry terms, > seems to be a self-inflating and glory-seeking action, > rather than a desire to make a helpful contribution. Just so. > I mention this n

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-03 Thread Doug Ewell
John H. Jenkins wrote: > There has been considerable uproar in the font development community > lately about Unicode making unwarranted assumptions about how fonts > work. I think it would be improper for us to add a character to the > standard on the basis of "font technology X solves the probl

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Sean B. Palmer wrote: > Since there are 676 possible digraph combinations, I endeavoured to > come up with a simpler approach to marking the digraphs as a single > character than simply creating a codepoint for each one. I have two > ideas so far:- > ... > * Come up with a digraph combinging cha

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > BTW, I would love to see a standard keyboard layout/input method > specification language. Why no one has started such a thing? There is such a thing -- ISO 9995. This standard comprises seven parts; Part 1 defines a row-column notation for every key on the keyboard.

Re: Unicode??

2002-08-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Felipe Boita wrote: > Não são caracteres combinantes... (?) > Os caracteres são: > Ẽ ẽ Ĩ ĩ Ũ ũ Ỹ ỹ (en) These *are* combining characters in Unicode. That is, each can be separated into a base letter and combining diacritic. This is not the problem. (pt) Sim, estes estão caracteres combinante

Back to ZWJ (Was: "Missing character" glyph)

2002-08-03 Thread John Hudson
At 12:49 PM 03-08-02, Doug Ewell wrote: >This is precisely one of the points I was trying to make in the >ZWJ-ligation thread a few weeks ago. It would be improper for Unicode >to do *anything* on the basis of "font technology X solves the problem". >(Some were suggesting ZWJ was unnecessary for

Updated Unicode Example PDF

2002-08-03 Thread Tex Texin
The PDF version of the Compelling Unicode Example has been updated. http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/unicodeexample.pdf This collection of celebrity names and countries from around the world, written in their native languages using Unicode, is useful for explaining to businesspeople and senior mana

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Doug Ewell wrote: > > BTW, I would love to see a standard keyboard layout/input method > > specification language. Why no one has started such a thing? > > There is such a thing -- ISO 9995. [...] I already knew about that (X11 keyboards use that in their syntax, for example

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The shift states ("levels") are also identified: Level > 1 is the normal state, Level 2 is the Shift state, and Level 3 is the > AltGr or Ctrl+Alt state. (There isn't supposed to be a "Level 4," > corresponding to Shift+AltGr, but many systems provide one

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > [...] using the DDK to develop a keyboard layout. Any URLs to how this can be done? roozbeh

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Roozbeh Pournader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > > > [...] using the DDK to develop a keyboard layout. > > Any URLs to how this can be done? Unfortunately, no. Its definitely a non-trivial process, I do not know of any such sites. The few compa

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > > Any URLs to how this can be done? > > Unfortunately, no. Its definitely a non-trivial process, I do not know of > any such sites. Even a very non-trivial reference to somewhere in MSDN I can give to a programmer as a start point? roozbeh

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Roozbeh Pournader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even a very non-trivial reference to somewhere in MSDN I can > give to a programmer as a start point? Tell them to look at kbd.h in the Windows DDK I believe there are also some samples in there. I do not know of anything in MSDN. MichKa Mic

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > Although the Ctrl and Ctrl+Shfit states are not recommended, they are > allowed by Windows for people are using the DDK to develop a keyboard > layout. > > And Shift+AltGr is definitely used by many keyboards. Which is fine if your solution only needs to run on

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm only talking about the row-column nomenclature. AFAIK, there isn't > even a requirement that the keys be expressed in Unicode code points. I > would imagine you could say "U+094D + U+0930" for a digraph, for > instance. As for SGCAPS, ISO 9995 does

Re: ISIRI 2901 to Unicode map

2002-08-03 Thread David Possin
The whole DDK is documented in msdn. Do a search for 'keyboard DDK" there and you will find a lot of information. When I am on my develoer system next week I will look at the DDK itself on our CDs and I will let you know offlist what I found. The sample code isn't online. >From what I can tell i