Tolkenian Sarati (Formerly: RE: Manchu/Mongolian in Unicode)

2002-10-24 Thread Robert
--- On Sun 10/13, Tom Gewecke < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Tom Gewecke [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:26:04 -0700 Subject: Manchu/Mongolian in Unicode > The latest Mac OS X upgrade has fonts that include the classic > Mongolian/Manchu range

Re: [OT] em dash absent from Latin-1/Latin-9 and keyboards, why ?

2002-10-24 Thread Mark Davis
 Historical accident, I believe. Those character sets tended to be derived from typewriters, not from the characters necessary for real publication. Mark__http://www.macchiato.com►  “Eppur si muove” ◄  - Original Message - From: Patrick Andr

[OT] em dash absent from Latin-1/Latin-9 and keyboards, why ?

2002-10-24 Thread Patrick Andries
 I have an off-topic question -- well, maybe not so much since questions have been asked about dashes -- related to the absence of the em dash/en dash from the Latin-1/Latin-9 character sets.   Why are those dashes (actually either one of the two is useful in French) absent from keyboards and

RE: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Peter_Constable
On 10/24/2002 01:02:39 PM "Kent Karlsson" wrote: >> then *any* font having a unicode cmap is a Unicode font. > >No, not if the glyps (for the "supported characters") are >inappropriate for the characters given. Kent is quite right here. There are a *lot* of fonts out there with Unicode cmaps tha

Re: need open source tools to convert indic font encoding into ISCII orUnicode

2002-10-24 Thread Peter_Constable
On 10/24/2002 02:28:10 PM ftang wrote: >Dear unicoder: > >I am looking for open source tool (C / C++ / Perl or Java) to convert >between (UTF-8/UTF-16 or ISCII) and differnt Indict font encoding. I assume that these are non-standard encodings, and probably presentation-form encodings. If so, we

RE: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Kent Karlsson
And it is easy for Joe User to make a simple (visual...) substitution cipher by just swiching to a font with the glyphs for letters (etc.) permuted. Sure! I think it would be a bad idea to call it a "Unicode font" though... (That it technically may have a "unicode cmap" is beside my point.) Lik

Long S on keyboard (was: Character identities)

2002-10-24 Thread Otto Stolz
Doug Ewell wrote: I'm not aware of any keyboard layout, German or otherwise, that contains U+017F. Would it be reasonable to suggest that it be added to the standard German layout? AltGr+s seems to be available. It would certainly not hurt to have it there. Fraktur, and Long-s, are not much

Re: Long S on keyboard (was: Character identities)

2002-10-24 Thread Patrick Andries
- Message d'origine - De : "Otto Stolz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À : "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc : "Unicode Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Torsten Mohrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envoyé : 24 oct. 2002 12:06 Objet : Long S on keyboard (was: Character identities) > Doug Ewell wrote: >

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread John Hudson
At 06:47 AM 24-10-02, Otto Stolz wrote: David J. Perry had written: An OpenType font that is smart enough to substitute a long s glyph at the right spots is the much superior long-term solution. This will not work, cf. infra. To be accurate, it works for display of English but not for German

Re: Long S on keyboard (was: Character identities)

2002-10-24 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:47 -0400 2002-10-24, Patrick Andries wrote: - Message d'origine - De : "Otto Stolz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ˆÄ : "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc : "Unicode Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Torsten Mohrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envoyˆ© : 24 oct. 2002 12:06 Objet : Long S on keyboard

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:46 -0700 2002-10-24, John Hudson wrote: At 06:47 AM 24-10-02, Otto Stolz wrote: David J. Perry had written: An OpenType font that is smart enough to substitute a long s glyph at the right spots is the much superior long-term solution. This will not work, cf. infra. To be accurate, it

RE: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Kent Karlsson
> Kent Karlsson wrote: > > And it is easy for Joe User to make a simple (visual...) > > substitution cipher by just swiching to a font with the > > glyphs for letters (etc.) permuted. Sure! I think it > > would be a bad idea to call it a "Unicode font" though... > > (That it technically may have

Question from IBM about CJK

2002-10-24 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
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RE: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Kent Karlsson wrote: > And it is easy for Joe User to make a simple (visual...) > substitution cipher by just swiching to a font with the > glyphs for letters (etc.) permuted. Sure! I think it > would be a bad idea to call it a "Unicode font" though... > (That it technically may have a "unicode c

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread jameskass
John Hudson wrote, > At 06:47 AM 24-10-02, Otto Stolz wrote: > > >David J. Perry had written: > >>An OpenType font that is smart enough to substitute a long s glyph at the > >>right spots is the much superior long-term solution. > > > >This will not work, cf. infra. > > To be accurate, it works

US7ASCII, UTF8 and ZHT16BIG5 in database configurations

2002-10-24 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
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CJK-Ext B, Fonts and input methods - Question from SAP

2002-10-24 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
Christian, I am forwarding your question to the Unicode list. If you're not subscribed to the list please go to http://www.unicode.org/unicode/consortium/distlist.html#4 and self-subscribe so you can follow the thread. Regards, Magda Danish Administrative Director The Unicode Consortium 650-69

need open source tools to convert indic font encoding into ISCIIor Unicode

2002-10-24 Thread Yung-Fong Tang
Dear unicoder: I am looking for open source tool (C / C++ / Perl or Java) to convert between (UTF-8/UTF-16 or ISCII) and differnt Indict font encoding. Please let me know if you know anything available. Language: C, C++, Perl, or Java Convert from A to / from B where A mean UTF-8 UTF-16, or I

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "John Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Otto Stolz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: den 24 oktober 2002 18:46 Subject: Re: Character identities > To be accurate, it works for display of English but not for German. The > Briti

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Otto Stolz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Character identities > Looking at a Fraktur book published in 1917, which is neither English

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Otto Stolz
David J. Perry had written: An OpenType font that is smart enough to substitute a long s glyph at the right spots is the much superior long-term solution. This will not work, cf. infra. David Starner wrote: no matter what the convention, it requires a dictionary lookup for various case;

Re: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 11:46:04AM +0200, Kent Karlsson wrote: > Please don't. "a^e" is . Which is great, if you're a scholar trying to accurately reproduce an old text; if you're Joe User, trying to print a document in an Olde German font, it's far more inconvienant than helpful. > Still they a

RE: Character identities

2002-10-24 Thread Kent Karlsson
> First, is it compliant with Unicode for an Antiqua font to use an s > glyph for ſ (U+017F)? It makes switching between Antiqua and Fraktur > fonts possible, and it is arguably the glyph given to the middle s in > modern Antiqua fonts. > > Likewise, ä is printed as a with e above in old texts.*