The result of the plane 14 tag characters review.

2002-11-08 Thread William Overington
As the Unicode Consortium invited public comments on the possible deprecation of plane 14 tag characters, will the Unicode Consortium be making a prompt public statement of the result of the review as soon as the present meeting of the Unicode Technical Committee is completed, or even earlier if th

Re: A .notdef glyph

2002-11-08 Thread William Overington
John Hudson wrote as follows. >At 05:26 11/7/2002, Michael Everson wrote: > >>Please don't. William, no one really wanted you to make a .notdef glyph. >>John was pulling your leg. Sorry I responded to the matter. Please don't >>waste your time and ours by writing up a case history. Thank you for

RE: A .notdef glyph

2002-11-08 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > John was pulling your leg. Sorry I responded to the matter. John Hudson wrote: > I was indeed pulling his leg, but I also knew that he would > actually go off and do it. William Overington wrote: > Well, you claim that now! At the time it appeared as a > genuine sugge

CJK Missing/Illegible/Censored Ideograph Character (was Re: A .notdef glyph )

2002-11-08 Thread Andrew C. West
Thomas Chan wrote: > GETA MARK is also ambiguous to Chinese readers; an "M"-sized WHITE SQUARE > or WHITE CIRCLE (or LARGE CIRCLE) are more familiar. > Thomas is right, the Geta mark is a Japanese innovation, and is totally unknown in Chinese contexts. > I don't think the distinction > between

RE: A .notdef glyph

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:40 +0100 2002-11-08, Marco Cimarosti wrote: I must add that this glyph has an internationalisation problem. The same concept which the English express with the idiomatic phrase "to pull someone's leg", in other languages is expressed by different allegories. Italians, for instance, pull a d

RE: A .notdef glyph

2002-11-08 Thread Raymond Mercier
Marco Cimarosti suggests: U+E666 SYMBOL FOR JUST PULLING YOUR LEG I know it's off the topic, but why is it that  in an html page produces, the character U+84A8, meaning qian, 'luxuriant vegetation' ? In fact pqr; has the same effect, where p, q, r are any numbers. Something odd in my IE6 ?

RE: A .notdef glyph

2002-11-08 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > The, ah, tail? Hem, slightly closer to the legs. _ Marco

Re: The result of the plane 14 tag characters review.

2002-11-08 Thread Doug Ewell
William Overington wrote: > As the Unicode Consortium invited public comments on the possible > deprecation of plane 14 tag characters, will the Unicode Consortium be > making a prompt public statement of the result of the review as soon > as the present meeting of the Unicode Technical Committee

Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread Thomas Lotze
Hi, as I've learnt in the recent thread about ligatures, Unicode does not encode glyphs but characters. Ligatures and special glyphs to be used for a character at the end of a word are considered presentation forms and won't be encoded or at least deprecated. Why is the long form of the small lat

RE: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread Dominikus Scherkl
> Why is the long form of the small latin letter s considered a > character in its own right? Many of the very low codepoints are defned for compatibility reasons (e.g. all the accented characters, which can all be represented as the base letter + combining diacritics). Of course a fraktur font ma

Re: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread Michael Everson
I like to think of the long s as similar to the final sigma. Nobody thinks that final sigma should be a presentation form of sigma. Nobody really uses long s in modern Roman typography, and it's a lot more convenient to have this as a separate character for the nonce-uses that it has than to ex

Re: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Lotze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Is long s a presentation form? > Why is the long form of the small latin letter s considered a character > in its own right? Because its usage in some lan

Re: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Thomas Lotze scripsit: > Why is the LATIN SMALL LETTER LONG S considered a character > in its own right? > > At least the way the two s's are used in German, they seem to act like a > classical pair of representation forms of one single character: if the > long s is present in the font, it is us

Re: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Allan
The long s is indeed a variant of short s. In general it is used in the middle of a word, when used, while short s is used at the end of a word, but exceptions occur in various scribal traditions, mostly when s occurs at the end of a compound in a compound word. Compare modern German where ß (a l

Question: the german umlaut

2002-11-08 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
> -Original Message- > > Date/Time:Fri Nov 8 09:05:40 EST 2002 > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Report Type: Other Question, Problem, or Feedback > > Hello > > I just wanted to know how much space in bytes the Latin-1 > characters such as the german umlaut characters take up

Re: Is long s a presentation form?

2002-11-08 Thread John Delacour
At 5:22 pm + 8/11/02, Michael Everson wrote: I like to think of the long s as similar to the final sigma. Nobody thinks that final sigma should be a presentation form of sigma. Nobody really uses long s in modern Roman typography, and it's a lot more convenient to have this as a separate c

Re: Question: the german umlaut

2002-11-08 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Magda Danish (Unicode)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Question: the german umlaut > > I just wanted to know how much space in bytes the Latin-1 > > characters such as the german umlaut characters

Re: Question: the german umlaut

2002-11-08 Thread James E. Agenbroad
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Magda Danish (Unicode) wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > Date/Time:Fri Nov 8 09:05:40 EST 2002 > > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Report Type: Other Question, Problem, or Feedback > > > > Hello > > > > I just wanted to know how much space in byte

Lunate, Terminal, and Medial Sigma

2002-11-08 Thread P. T. Rourke
I like to think of the long s as similar to the final sigma. Nobody thinks that final sigma should be a presentation form of sigma. Actually, I do, given an ideal encoding system without any compatibility compromises. I think that the presence of the separate final and medial sigma codepoi

Malayalam Half-U: how

2002-11-08 Thread Antoine LECA
Hi folks, A problem was signaled in the Microsoft VOLT mailing list (this list should be dedicated to typographic, but it appears that it deals more with Indic scripts, because VOLT is the MS tool to use to encode OpenType informations in a font, which in turn is required to display Indic scripts