Re: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread John Cowan
Jungshik Shin scripsit: > > I don't know why UniScribe is not always installed by default, > > as it is also useful for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic (the regional > >Add Korean to the list. After making a Korean opentype font, > I was confused because it worked fine inside font editing tools, >

ISO 639 "duplicate" codes (was: Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures)

2003-07-11 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy wrote: > Good luck with ISO language codes which does not even > define them, and contain many duplicate codes even in > the Alpha-2 space (he/iw, in/id), or unprecize codes > matching sometimes very imprecize families of languages > overlapping other language codes... The codes "

Re: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Philippe Verdy wrote: > On Friday, July 11, 2003 12:14 PM, Jungshik Shin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For instance, on Win 9x/ME, MS IE that (appears to) use Uniscribe > > APIs directly can render complex scripts but Mozilla that uses > > standard Win32 Text APIs (such a

Re: Unicode Conf. in Africa? India? (Re: 24th Unicode Conference - Atlanta, GA ...)

2003-07-11 Thread Patrick Andries
- Original Message - From: "Don Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've come back to my mailbox a bit amazed to find so much mail on this > address issue. I'd have to agree with Peter's last on the topic - not to > prolong the thread (!) but to pick up on his description of Gabon as a > coun

Unicode Conf. in Africa? India? (Re: 24th Unicode Conference - Atlanta, GA ...)

2003-07-11 Thread Don Osborn
I've come back to my mailbox a bit amazed to find so much mail on this address issue. I'd have to agree with Peter's last on the topic - not to prolong the thread (!) but to pick up on his description of Gabon as a country "not particularly known for involvement in this industry." Is there any lik

Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Friday, July 11, 2003 6:43 PM, Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed. But does Unicode actually treat them as non-normative samples? Note clear here: the reference documents say that these tables are normative for applications that want to implement a conforming case folding. But UTR#

Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Peter Kirk
On 11/07/2003 08:51, Philippe Verdy wrote: On Friday, July 11, 2003 3:50 PM, Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I hope that what is fixed by Unicode is the name not of two languages but of an extensible family of scripts. I think you speak about family of languages? Not really. A se

RE: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Rick Cameron
Ah, but what you don't realise [and it's not surprising, because MSDN doesn't make it clear] is that when ScriptTextOut calls ExtTextOut, it passes glyph indices, and uses the ETO_GLYPH_INDEX option. Thus, the two statements are perfectly consistent. For once, Philippe's bold statement of fact i

Re: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Andrew C. West
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:15:14 +0200, "Philippe Verdy" wrote: > The Win32 Text APIs (such as TextOut) actually DO support UniScribe > transparently on Windows XP... In most applications, this means that the > UniScribe support works without requiring explicit calls to the Uniscribe API. Surely some

Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Friday, July 11, 2003 3:50 PM, Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I hope that what is fixed by Unicode is the name not > of two languages but of an extensible family of scripts. I think you speak about family of languages? Good luck with ISO language codes which does not even define th

Language kits for Mac...

2003-07-11 Thread Rick McGowan
Ran across a place that has a number of language kits for Mac OS X, including Burmese, Cherokee, Inuktitut, Kannada, Malayalam, Telugu, and Tibetan. I haven't seen any blurbs about them anywhere... http://www.xenotypetech.com Rick

Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Peter Kirk
On 11/07/2003 05:56, Philippe Verdy wrote: Note also: the Soft_Dotted property was created and considered specially for Turkish and Azeri. Whatever it was that was specially created or adjusted for Turkish and Azeri, was it specifically restricted to these two languages? These are I think

Re: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Friday, July 11, 2003 1:12 PM, Kent Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Note also: the Soft_Dotted property was created and considered > > specially for Turkish and Azeri. > > Adding to the long, and unfortunately getting longer, list of > misleading statements from Philippe! No, the reas

RE: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Jon Hanna
> The Win32 Text APIs (such as TextOut) actually DO support > UniScribe transparently on Windows XP... In most applications, > this means that the UniScribe support works without requiring > explicit calls to the Uniscribe API. And Windows2000. However some ways of using the Text APIs will meant t

RE: Ligatures in Turkish and Azeri, was: Accented ij ligatures

2003-07-11 Thread Kent Karlsson
> Note also: the Soft_Dotted property was created and considered > specially for Turkish and Azeri. Adding to the long, and unfortunately getting longer, list of misleading statements from Philippe! No, the reason for the Soft_Dotted property was/is to mark which characters (regardless of langua

Re: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Friday, July 11, 2003 12:14 PM, Jungshik Shin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 'OS' here has to be interpreted a bit broadly to include 'APIs and > toolkits' used in text rendering. I guess that's what you meant. > > For instance, on Win 9x/ME, MS IE that (appears to) use Uniscribe > APIs directly

Re: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic

2003-07-11 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Andrew Cunningham wrote: > Although the actual application of the theory will differ from operating > system to operating system. 'OS' here has to be interpreted a bit broadly to include 'APIs and toolkits' used in text rendering. I guess that's what you meant. For instanc