On Friday, July 11, 2003 6:43 PM, Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed. But does Unicode actually treat them as non-normative samples? Note clear here: the reference documents say that these tables are normative for applications that want to implement a conforming case folding. But UTR#30 (characters folding) contains still many areas marked as "to be done", so it is not clear that all folding issues have been solved. It seems reasonnable however that non language specific elements in the CaseFolding table are normative, as they are computed from UCD... I see this comment: [quote] # The entries in this file are in the following machine-readable format: # # <code>; <status>; <mapping>; # <name> # # The status field is: # C: common case folding, common mappings shared by both simple and full mappings. # F: full case folding, mappings that cause strings to grow in length. Multiple characters are separated by spaces. # S: simple case folding, mappings to single characters where different from F. # T: special case for uppercase I and dotted uppercase I # - For non-Turkic languages, this mapping is normally not used. # - For Turkic languages (tr, az), this mapping can be used instead of the normal mapping for these characters. # Note that the Turkic mappings do not maintain canonical equivalence without additional processing. # See the discussions of case mapping in the Unicode Standard for more information. # # Usage: # A. To do a simple case folding, use the mappings with status C + S. # B. To do a full case folding, use the mappings with status C + F. # # The mappings with status T can be used or omitted depending on the desired case-folding # behavior. (The default option is to exclude them.) # [/quote] Simple Case Mapping (C+S) is not marked "to be done" in UTR#30, but other special mappings with status T are off by default (so they depend of a specific tailoring, a non-normative behavior if I interpret it correctly, as applications are free to use or not use them, under unspecified conditions, i.e. here the "desired behavior"). This concerns many more characters than just Turkish/Azeri uses, and there is some overlap with the informative and unfinished UTR#30 reference: (1) Simple mappings (are they normative?): 1F88; S; 1F80; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F89; S; 1F81; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8A; S; 1F82; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8B; S; 1F83; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8C; S; 1F84; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8D; S; 1F85; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8E; S; 1F86; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8F; S; 1F87; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F98; S; 1F90; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F99; S; 1F91; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9A; S; 1F92; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9B; S; 1F93; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9C; S; 1F94; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9D; S; 1F95; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9E; S; 1F96; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9F; S; 1F97; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FA8; S; 1FA0; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FA9; S; 1FA1; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAA; S; 1FA2; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAB; S; 1FA3; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAC; S; 1FA4; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAD; S; 1FA5; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAE; S; 1FA6; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAF; S; 1FA7; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FBC; S; 1FB3; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FCC; S; 1FC3; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FFC; S; 1FF3; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI (2) Full mappings (clearly optional): 00DF; F; 0073 0073; # LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S 0130; F; 0069 0307; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE 0149; F; 02BC 006E; # LATIN SMALL LETTER N PRECEDED BY APOSTROPHE 01F0; F; 006A 030C; # LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH CARON 0390; F; 03B9 0308 0301; # GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH DIALYTIKA AND TONOS 03B0; F; 03C5 0308 0301; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH DIALYTIKA AND TONOS 0587; F; 0565 0582; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE ECH YIWN 1E96; F; 0068 0331; # LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH LINE BELOW 1E97; F; 0074 0308; # LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH DIAERESIS 1E98; F; 0077 030A; # LATIN SMALL LETTER W WITH RING ABOVE 1E99; F; 0079 030A; # LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH RING ABOVE 1E9A; F; 0061 02BE; # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH RIGHT HALF RING 1F50; F; 03C5 0313; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH PSILI 1F52; F; 03C5 0313 0300; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH PSILI AND VARIA 1F54; F; 03C5 0313 0301; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH PSILI AND OXIA 1F56; F; 03C5 0313 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI 1F80; F; 1F00 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F81; F; 1F01 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F82; F; 1F02 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F83; F; 1F03 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F84; F; 1F04 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F85; F; 1F05 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F86; F; 1F06 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F87; F; 1F07 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F88; F; 1F00 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F89; F; 1F01 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8A; F; 1F02 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8B; F; 1F03 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8C; F; 1F04 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8D; F; 1F05 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8E; F; 1F06 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F8F; F; 1F07 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F90; F; 1F20 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F91; F; 1F21 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F92; F; 1F22 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F93; F; 1F23 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F94; F; 1F24 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F95; F; 1F25 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F96; F; 1F26 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F97; F; 1F27 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1F98; F; 1F20 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F99; F; 1F21 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9A; F; 1F22 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9B; F; 1F23 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9C; F; 1F24 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9D; F; 1F25 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9E; F; 1F26 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1F9F; F; 1F27 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FA0; F; 1F60 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA1; F; 1F61 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA2; F; 1F62 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA3; F; 1F63 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA4; F; 1F64 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA5; F; 1F65 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA6; F; 1F66 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA7; F; 1F67 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FA8; F; 1F60 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FA9; F; 1F61 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAA; F; 1F62 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAB; F; 1F63 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND VARIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAC; F; 1F64 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAD; F; 1F65 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND OXIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAE; F; 1F66 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FAF; F; 1F67 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FB2; F; 1F70 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FB3; F; 03B1 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FB4; F; 03AC 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FB6; F; 03B1 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PERISPOMENI 1FB7; F; 03B1 0342 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA WITH PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FBC; F; 03B1 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FC2; F; 1F74 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FC3; F; 03B7 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FC4; F; 03AE 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FC6; F; 03B7 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PERISPOMENI 1FC7; F; 03B7 0342 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA WITH PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FCC; F; 03B7 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI 1FD2; F; 03B9 0308 0300; # GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH DIALYTIKA AND VARIA 1FD3; F; 03B9 0308 0301; # GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH DIALYTIKA AND OXIA 1FD6; F; 03B9 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH PERISPOMENI 1FD7; F; 03B9 0308 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH DIALYTIKA AND PERISPOMENI 1FE2; F; 03C5 0308 0300; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH DIALYTIKA AND VARIA 1FE3; F; 03C5 0308 0301; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH DIALYTIKA AND OXIA 1FE4; F; 03C1 0313; # GREEK SMALL LETTER RHO WITH PSILI 1FE6; F; 03C5 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH PERISPOMENI 1FE7; F; 03C5 0308 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH DIALYTIKA AND PERISPOMENI 1FF2; F; 1F7C 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH VARIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FF3; F; 03C9 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FF4; F; 03CE 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH OXIA AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FF6; F; 03C9 0342; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PERISPOMENI 1FF7; F; 03C9 0342 03B9; # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA WITH PERISPOMENI AND YPOGEGRAMMENI 1FFC; F; 03C9 03B9; # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH PROSGEGRAMMENI FB00; F; 0066 0066; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FF FB01; F; 0066 0069; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FI FB02; F; 0066 006C; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FL FB03; F; 0066 0066 0069; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FFI FB04; F; 0066 0066 006C; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FFL FB05; F; 0073 0074; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE LONG S T FB06; F; 0073 0074; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE ST FB13; F; 0574 0576; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE MEN NOW FB14; F; 0574 0565; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE MEN ECH FB15; F; 0574 056B; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE MEN INI FB16; F; 057E 0576; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE VEW NOW FB17; F; 0574 056D; # ARMENIAN SMALL LIGATURE MEN XEH (3) Turkic mappings (to be used in both Simple and Full mappings as overrides of C mappings?): # this one overrides a C mapping in both Simple and Full mappings 0049; T; 0131; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I # this one overrides a F mapping only in Full mappings 0130; T; 0069; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE The last cases (3) seem to be an optional "feature". But the default DOES define a sequence <i, dot-above> for the Full mapping: 0130; F; 0069 0307; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE This means that the standard way to encode Turkic documents, in absence of meta-information for Turkish or Azeri language identification, is to encode the dot explicitly on lowercase <i>, if the semantic of text must be preserved for full-text searches. Is that what is called a "character subset" for a scripted language family? Well I don't like the term "Turkic" to name it. I prefer the more common "Altaic Latin alphabet", seen as a standard subset of the Latin script, with additional properties. May be Unicode should not try to use language codes for families of languages, but it could define "representative subsets of characters" which may contain characters from several scripts, but would be minimized according to the tradition of a family of languages. Such families seem evident from the current ISO-8859-* and Mac/Windows/DOS charsets. -- Philippe.
