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2003-09-29 Thread Dao Xuan Nam
- Original Message - From: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages On 26/09/2003 06:16, John Cowan wrote: Peter Kirk

RE: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Francois Yergeau
John Cowan wrote: It's worse than that. If the HTTP header says text/xml or text/html, and no charset information is provided, a fully conforming browser MUST treat this as if the charset us-ascii is specified. Nit: this is not the case for text/html, which fortunately took exception from

RE: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Francois Yergeau
James Kass wrote: In the event of a conflict between the HTTP header and the HTML meta tag, of course the browser should believe the HTML meta tag. After all, who knows better than the author the encoding used to construct the file? Who knows better the encoding used to *send* the file? The

IAB positions with respect ISO royalties, CS

2003-09-29 Thread Mark Davis
With respect to the issues we raised in http://www.unicode.org/consortium/utc-positions.html, the IAB has taken the following positions: http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondance/2003-09-25-iso-cs-code.html http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondance/2003-09-23-isocodes.html

Submission of NB of Ireland regarding ISO 3166/MA

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Everson
FYI from NSAI to the 3166 Maintenance Agency and to TC46 Secretariat. = Ireland does not support the recent decision of the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency, reassiging CS (formerly Czechoslovakia) to Serbia and Montenegro. It is

RE: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Jill Ramonsky
I don't see anything wrong with the spec. So far as I can see it is doing the right thing. Although the behaviour of the described server could be better. First point - if no information is present, assume "us-ascii". Sounds extremely sensible to me. ASCII is the intersection of Latin-1,

Re: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Peter Kirk
On 29/09/2003 07:27, Francois Yergeau wrote: ... It takes large amounts of tricky code to reliably parse real-life HTML. It is unreasonable to expect servers, which have no business parsing HTML, to contain this code. ... Agreed. But if they don't parse the HTML they don't know what the

Re: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Peter Kirk
On 29/09/2003 08:01, Jill Ramonsky wrote: ... As far as the browser is concerned, meta tags in the document _/must not/_ override the headers, as this could result in security holes exploitable by attackers. The issue is slightly more complicated. The browser /must/ believe the HTTP headers.

Re: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread jon
Agreed. But if they don't parse the HTML they don't know what the content of the document is and so they have no business to mess around with that content by re-encoding it. There is no re-encoding! There just might be is all. There might also be a lot of other things going on, and hence a

RE: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Francois Yergeau
Jill Ramonsky wrote: First point - if no information is present, assume us-ascii. Sounds extremely sensible to me. Sounds very misguided to me. ASCII is the intersection of Latin-1, UTF-8, and various other commonly used encodings. How does that make it more likely that guessing ASCII would

Re: RE: Fun with proof by analogy, was Re: Mojibake on my Web pages

2003-09-29 Thread Rick McGowan
François -- You might be interested to know that all of your recent mail has the following header attached to it! Sounds to me like your outgoing server is tagging mail, and it's getting things wrong. Rick X-Spam-Report: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been