Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Dean Snyder
It took Devanagiri to show me the NATURE of the technical problem posed by a dynamic encoding for cuneiform; it took Mongolian to show me that the problem HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED in Unicode. As in Devanagiri, dynamic cuneiform must be capable of mapping a sequence of encoded characters to a

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Michael Everson
I do NOT believe that this thread should be discussed on the Unicode List. I am responding to it only because Dean has let loose another brace of hares. Let us reign them in, and kill this thread now. At 14:13 -0500 2004-01-18, Dean Snyder wrote: It took Devanagiri to show me the NATURE of the

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Tom Gewecke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took Devanagiri to show me the NATURE of the technical problem posed by a dynamic encoding for cuneiform; it took Mongolian to show me that the problem HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED in Unicode. No greater hames have we ever made than encoding Mongolian without a proper

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 18/01/2004 12:20, Michael Everson wrote: I do NOT believe that this thread should be discussed on the Unicode List. I am responding to it only because Dean has let loose another brace of hares. Let us reign them in, and kill this thread now. ... Because we are not going to use a dynamic

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Michael Everson
At 13:53 -0800 2004-01-18, Peter Kirk wrote: I find this kind of attempted censorship of technical discussion highly distasteful, especially when conducted in such a disrespectful (!) ad hominem manner. Softer words haven't worked. Dean keeps coming back and reopening the issue on the public

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Dean Snyder
Michael Everson wrote at 8:20 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: I do NOT believe that this thread should be discussed on the Unicode List. Why would you want to restrict the discussion of shaping format characters and free variation selectors to a list populated mostly by cuneiformists but

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Dean Snyder
Tom Gewecke wrote at 2:26 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: It took Devanagiri to show me the NATURE of the technical problem posed by a dynamic encoding for cuneiform; it took Mongolian to show me that the problem HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED in Unicode. No greater hames have we ever made than

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Tom Gewecke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: How long does it take to create a Mongolian font, compared to, let's say, a Hebrew one? Very, very, very long. As far as I know, no Mongolian Unicode font yet exists that contains more than the basic glyphs without any support for ligatures or positional or variant

Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Michael Everson
At 19:06 -0500 2004-01-18, Dean Snyder wrote: Why would you want to restrict the discussion of shaping format characters and free variation selectors to a list populated mostly by cuneiformists but exclude feedback from a list populated mostly by encoding experts? I would want to restrict this

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Dean Snyder
Michael Everson wrote at 10:23 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: This discussion has mostly been on the Cuneiform list (where it belongs) but Dean keeps coming over here and trying to drum up support for his ill-conceived and ever-mutating idea. I am not trying to drum up support for a dynamic

Combining down-pointing triangle above?

2004-01-18 Thread Doug Ewell
I came across a character the other day that I can't find in Unicode. It's a lower-case c with what appears to be a solid downward-pointing triangle diacritic above it, supposedly used in the Chumash language. It's shown in the attached PNG image (can be converted to lesser formats on request).

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Sarasvati
The tone in this thread is rather unfortunate. The temperature is rather high. Sarasvati desires to see much less heat, and a bit more tolerance or she will be forced to temporarily remove the combatants from the fray. Unamusedly yours, -- Sarasvati

Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors

2004-01-18 Thread Dean Snyder
Michael Everson wrote at 12:53 AM on Monday, January 19, 2004: My dislike of variation selectors as a form of pseudo-coding is not confined to Mongolian. Is your dislike shared by Mongolian encoding specialists, or the other users of variation selectors you hint at? Is there a significant body

Re: Combining down-pointing triangle above?

2004-01-18 Thread jameskass
. Doug Ewell wrote, Is this just a fancified hacek, or a potential candidate for proposal? Naturally, from a Unicode standpoint I'm thinking about a combining character, not a precomposed c-with-triangle. It might be a caron, see: http://www.chumashlanguage.com/pronun/pronun-00-fr.html Best

Re: Combining down-pointing triangle above?

2004-01-18 Thread Curtis Clark
on 2004-01-18 17:47 Doug Ewell wrote: Is this just a fancified hacek, or a potential candidate for proposal? Evidently a hacek: http://www.chumashlanguage.com/vocab/vocab-01-fr.html -- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Mockingbird Font Works

Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread jameskass
. Dean Snyder wrote, SOMEONE at SOMETIME must have thought that free variation selectors were a good idea for Mongolian in Unicode. If the thinking has changed on this since then, I would love to hear about why it has changed. Is Mongolian functioning well in Unicode or not? If not, what

Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread jameskass
. Dean Snyder wrote, Tom Gewecke wrote at 2:26 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: ... Agreed. I can't imagine that anyone who has ever tried to actually do anything with Unicode Mongolian would recommend variation selectors as an encoding technique, unless perhaps they wanted to make sure

Re: Combining down-pointing triangle above?

2004-01-18 Thread Doug Ewell
James Kass jameskass at att dot net wrote: It might be a caron, see: http://www.chumashlanguage.com/pronun/pronun-00-fr.html Curtis Clark jcclark at mockfont dot com wrote: Evidently a hacek: http://www.chumashlanguage.com/vocab/vocab-01-fr.html Fancified hacek it is. Thanks, guys. -Doug

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 09:23 PM 1/18/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, it's my understanding that implementation guidelines for Mongolian script and Unicode are still being worked out. You are correct. A group of experts is currently working out a definite description of how Mongolian should work. All the