RE: SVG Fonts - Is it the Font Standard of the future?

2004-03-03 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Peter Constable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It's interesting to note what the SVGMobile spec has to say about SVG > fonts: > > > SVGB and SVGT support a subset of SVG fonts where only the 'd' attribute > on the 'glyph' and 'missing-glyph' elements is available. Arbitrary

RE: SVG Fonts - Is it the Font Standard of the future?

2004-03-03 Thread Peter Constable
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mete Kural > Are you sure about this? As far as I understand SVG can be used to embed > font definitions in a platform-independent manner. Embed in *what*? Sure, SVG is platform independent insofar as it is a spec that is not depe

RE: SVG Fonts - Is it the Font Standard of the future?

2004-03-03 Thread Ernest Cline
I strongly doubt that any OS would want to support SVG fonts natively. At best, they might choose to include a utility that would transform the font into form more useful for itself. There are two major problems with SVG fonts. 1) Lack of hinting - Without the ability to hint, getting fonts to l

SVG Fonts - Is it the Font Standard of the future?

2004-03-03 Thread Mete Kural
Hello All, > Although the SVG font specification may come from a standards body > [W3C] afaik SVG fonts are only of any use if you want to embed the > font definitions in an SVG file where the font is used. There > doesn't seem to be anything that actually makes use of them in any > other kin

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Peter Kirk
On 03/03/2004 11:27, Antoine Leca wrote: Frank Yung-Fong Tang va escriure: Does it also mean wchar_t is 4 bytes if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is defined? or does it only mean wchar_t hold the character in ISO_10646 (which mean it could be 2 bytes, 4 bytes or more than that?) The later. But if wch

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
Clark Cox wrote on 3/3/2004, 4:33 PM: [I swap the reply order to make my new question clearer] > > > > And what does the year and month mean? > > It indicates which version of ISO10646 is used by the implementation. > In the above example, it indicates whatever version was in effect in > De

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Mete Kural
>Frank Yung-Fong Tang va escriure: >> For example, we can standarlized a set of Arabic glyphs with their >> encoding. > >Think about Nastaliq (rather than Naskh). There is simply no way to have it >done. Too much possibilities. Yes I think it would be impractical to standardize a set of Arabic gl

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Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Clark Cox
On Mar 03, 2004, at 14:13, Frank Yung-Fong Tang wrote: Clark Cox wrote on 3/3/2004, 1:28 PM: From the C standard: __STDC_ISO_10646_ _An integer constant of the formmmL(for example, 199712L), intended to indicate that values of type wchar_t are the coded representations of the characters de

OT: HTML messages [Re: Font Technology Standards]

2004-03-03 Thread John Burger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Can you please stop sending messages to this mailing list in HTML only? Either plain text only, or -- less desirable -- plain text plus HTML, please.) (I broadcast this only because a number of people have recently starting sending HTML messages to the list, several of

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Antoine Leca
On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:28 PM Clark Cox va escriure: > From the C standard: > > __STDC_ISO_10646_ The current text is publicly available at http://anubis.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_273.htm> Please use the reformed form (at the end) in place of the old one. Thanks in advance.

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Antoine Leca
[sorry for the involontary x-post] Frank Yung-Fong Tang va escriure: > For example, we can standarlized a set of Arabic glyphs with their > encoding. Think about Nastaliq (rather than Naskh). There is simply no way to have it done. Too much possibilities. Idem for Latin (resp. Cyrillic, resp. Gr

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Antoine Leca
Frank Yung-Fong Tang va escriure: > Does it also mean wchar_t is 4 bytes if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is defined? > or does it only mean wchar_t hold the character in ISO_10646 > (which mean it could be 2 bytes, 4 bytes or more than that?) The later. But if wchar_t is 16 bits, it can only encode Unicode

Re: What's in a wchar_t string ...

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
So that mean __STDC_ISO_10646__ defined may not be UCS4 but UCS2 or UTF-16, right? Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote on 3/3/2004, 1:49 PM: > "Frank Yung-Fong Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks on Wed, 3 Mar 2004 > 12:38:49 > -0500: > > >> Does it also mean wchar_t is 4 bytes if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is >

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
Clark Cox wrote on 3/3/2004, 1:28 PM: > From the C standard: > > __STDC_ISO_10646_ _An integer constant of the formmmL(for example, > 199712L), intended to indicate that values of type wchar_t are the > coded representations of the characters defined by ISO/IEC10646, along > with all a

Re: What's in a wchar_t string ...

2004-03-03 Thread Nelson H. F. Beebe
"Frank Yung-Fong Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks on Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:38:49 -0500: >> Does it also mean wchar_t is 4 bytes if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is defined? >> or does it only mean wchar_t hold the character in ISO_10646 >> (which mean it could be 2 bytes, 4 bytes or more than that?) Here is the

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Clark Cox
From the C standard: __STDC_ISO_10646_ _An integer constant of the formmmL(for example, 199712L), intended to indicate that values of type wchar_t are the coded representations of the characters defined by ISO/IEC10646, along with all amendments and technical corrigenda as of the specified

Re: What's in a wchar_t string on unix?

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
oh. This is the first time I hear about this. Thanks about your information. Does it also mean wchar_t is 4 bytes if __STDC_ISO_10646__ is defined? or does it only mean wchar_t hold the character in ISO_10646 (which mean it could be 2 bytes, 4 bytes or more than that?) Noah Levitt wrote on 3/2/

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread C J Fynn
Frank Yung-Fong Tang wrote: > And I am sure the following DOES NOT exist although I hope there we can > have one day- Glyph Encoding Standard. Map a glyph to a fixed glyph ID. > (The Arabic presentation block A and B sort of like this one) For example, > it will be much easier for people to under

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
C J Fynn wrote on 3/3/2004, 11:41 AM: > Frank Yung-Fong Tang wrote: > > > And I am sure the following DOES NOT exist although I hope there > > we can have one day- Glyph Encoding Standard. Map a glyph to > > a fixed glyph ID. (The Arabic presentation block A and B sort of > > like this on

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread jcowan
Frank Yung-Fong Tang scripsit: (Can you please stop sending messages to this mailing list in HTML only? Either plain text only, or -- less desirable -- plain text plus HTML, please.) > Also, there are other "standard" about the font: > 1. Glyph set "standard"- how to make sure one font contains

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Mete Kural
Hello All, Thank you very much for providing your insight. So it seems like there are several technologies and some may be considered to be a standard to an extent, but there seems to be really no true standard font format - in the way that HTML is a standard - that makes it possible to build f

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Antoine Leca
C J Fynn va escriure: > [ The only thing there has been any real controversy or concern about > are three Apple patents relating to grid fitting glyph outlines of > TrueType fonts (see: http://www.freetype.org/patents.html ) > Also AFAIK Apple have never threatned anyone with > enforcement of the

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
BDF is also widly used, although the quality and features is not that powerful these day. Also, there are other "standard" about the font: 1. Glyph set "standard"- how to make sure one font contains all the glyph for a particular group of users- for example- WGL4 is a glyph set standard from M

Re: Font Technology Standards

2004-03-03 Thread Bob_Hallissy
Not sure exactly what you are looking for because "Font Technology" covers a broad spectrum, but a *simplified* picture might be something like the following: First, we should distinguish bitmap font technologies from scalable font technologies ... I assume you are more interested in the latter.