OT? Languages with letters that always take diacriticals

2004-03-15 Thread Curtis Clark
Are there any languages that use letters with diacriticals, but *never* use the base letter without diacriticals? A made-up example to explain what made me think of it: Let's say a language has "ö", to represent the same sound that it does in German, but not "o", because the language lacks the

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a methodto make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: C J Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I thought to get a patent you were supposed to invent something new and not > obvious. > > Other than the shape of the letters (which are apparently derivative) what is > novel about a script which doesn't have complex shaping behavio

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Chris Jacobs
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Whistler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:28 AM Subject: Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Edward H. Trager
On Monday 2004.03.15 11:50:05 -0800, Mike Ayers wrote: > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Frank Yung-Fong Tang > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:16 AM > > > It seems not a very new idea. Similar idea have been used in > > Chinese 40 > > years ago and create

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Mark Shoulson said: > (Me, I think > it's a cool idea, but I'm notorious for being fascinated by shiny new > things.) a gnieb rof suoiroton m'I tub ,aedi bmud a s'ti kniht I ,eM .tehctorc evitcaer neK

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a methodto make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread C J Fynn
I thought to get a patent you were supposed to invent something new and not obvious. Other than the shape of the letters (which are apparently derivative) what is novel about a script which doesn't have complex shaping behaviour (whether for writing Arabic or any other language) ? I can understa

RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a methodto make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Ernest Cline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [Original Message] > > From: Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > In the NEW YORK TIMES today > > comes a report of a USA patent for a new version of written Arabic > > letters, designed to make them easier to read/write/

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
And see http://www.arabetics.com/ for the official site. (Me, I think it's a cool idea, but I'm notorious for being fascinated by shiny new things.) ~mark Mike Ayers wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael Everson > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:40 AM >

Re: About the Kikaku script for Mende, and an existing font for it

2004-03-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
(Still not working, retrying to send this message with different options, there may be a problem in the Unicode mailing list server) For your information, here is a document better documenting the beautiful glyphs used in the "JG Mende" True Type font by Jason Glavy, and comments from the author o

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a method to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Martin Heijdra
It's not new in the Arabic world either; the 1920 saw many attempts to "rationalize" Arabic writing, to get rid of the connectedness etc. For an historical overview, see: Author/Artist: Hamm, Roberto, 1939- Title: Pour une typographie arabe : contribution technique à la démocratisation

RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
Mike Ayers wrote on 3/15/2004, 2:50 PM: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Frank Yung-Fong Tang > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:16 AM > It seems not a very new idea. Similar idea have been used in > Chinese 40 > years ago

RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Mike Ayers
Title: RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a method to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Frank Yung-Fong Tang > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:16 AM > It seems not a very new idea

RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Mike Ayers
Title: RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a method to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Michael Everson > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:40 AM > In the NEW YORK TIMES today > come

Re: Question on Unicode-prevalence (general and for Cyrillic)

2004-03-15 Thread Antoine Leca
Peter Kirk va escriure: >> 2. A graduate student mentioned that it was her impression that most >> Cyrillic webpages (at least for Russian--her interest) are still not >> encoded in Unicode. (She is doing some research on the use of >> certain words in Russian and wanted to know how best to do the

Re: multibyte char display

2004-03-15 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
many different reason you will see ? there. read my paper http://people.netscape.com/ftang/paper/unicode25/a302.htm to see a list. Manga wrote on 3/15/2004, 10:07 AM: > I use UTF-8 encoding in java code to store multi byte characters in the > db . When i retreive the multi byte characters

Re: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a method to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Frank Yung-Fong Tang
Wow. It seems not a very new idea. Similar idea have been used in Chinese 40 years ago and create the differences between Simplifed Chinese And Traditional Chinese. Michael Everson wrote on 3/15/2004, 12:40 PM: > In the NEW YORK TIMES today > comes a report of a USA patent for a new version o

RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a methodto make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In the NEW YORK TIMES today > comes a report of a USA patent for a new version of written Arabic > letters, designed to make them easier to read/write/typeset without > making them too different from traditional Arabic script: >

FW: Web Form: Feedback about website: Netscape, ISO-8859-1 & UTF-8

2004-03-15 Thread Magda Danish \(Unicode\)
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RE: in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a met hod to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:40 PM My only concern is: WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY did Mr. Abulhab decide to announce this on March 15!? Could he just wait 17 more days, it would have been such a brilliant April Fool! _ Marco

in the NEW YORK TIMES today, report of a USA patent for a method to make the Arabic language easier to read/write/typeset

2004-03-15 Thread Michael Everson
In the NEW YORK TIMES today comes a report of a USA patent for a new version of written Arabic letters, designed to make them easier to read/write/typeset without making them too different from traditional Arabic script: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/technology/15patent.html - The piece include

Re: %

2004-03-15 Thread Jon Hanna
Quoting Stefan Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Ladies and Gentlemen > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf > >is there any other HTML-Code to > >edit the percent sign % ? > > % > > Stefan Or for that matter % since it isn't significant in

Re: multibyte char display

2004-03-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Manga wrote: > I use UTF-8 encoding in java code to store multi byte characters in > the db . When i retreive the multi byte characters from db , i see > "?" inplace of the actual multi byte characters. I use solaris os. > Is there any environment variable which i can set to see the actual > char

Re: %

2004-03-15 Thread Stefan Persson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf is there any other HTML-Code to edit the percent sign % ? % Stefan

RE: multibyte char display

2004-03-15 Thread Addison Phillips [wM]
Hi Manga, There are two things that you need to check here. First, is your environment set up to display the non-ASCII characters? Solaris offers an impressive array of UTF-8 locales which should allow you to view Unicode data. You can switch to one of these by setting your LANG environment varia

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2004-03-15 Thread EUser
Ladies and Gentlemen > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf is there any other HTML-Code to edit the percent sign % ? thank's Steinmeier c/o [EMAIL PROTECTED]

multibyte char display

2004-03-15 Thread Manga
I use UTF-8 encoding in java code to store multi byte characters in the db . When i retreive the multi byte characters from db , i see "?" inplace of the actual multi byte characters. I use solaris os. Is there any environment variable which i can set to see the actual characters on my terminal