Re: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr30/datafiles/DiacriticFolding.txt

2004-07-19 Thread John Cowan
Asmus Freytag scripsit: > >Is John Cowan's list supposed to be a complete list of > >foldables for extant Hebrew code points? > > We know its not. It lists all the characters which have points embedded in them. If you map all those characters away and delete all explicit points and accents, you

Re: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread E. Keown
Elaine Keown Tucson Dear Mark and List: I have even less of an idea than usual what on earth you are all talking about, but Today I am working on the 6th set of Hebrew diacritics. They are called 'Palestinian' and are found exclusively in the Cairo Genizah material. The 'Cai

Re: Back to the subject: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Peter Kirk
On 19/07/2004 23:23, Asmus Freytag wrote: At 01:56 PM 7/19/2004, Mark Davis wrote: You did point out an oversight; Asmus and I have been working on the issue. ‎Mark As Mark wrote, your point is taken and we've taken that onboard. However, we won't try to *edit* text on the list, that's why we

Re: Back to the subject: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 01:56 PM 7/19/2004, Mark Davis wrote: You did point out an oversight; Asmus and I have been working on the issue. ‎Mark As Mark wrote, your point is taken and we've taken that onboard. However, we won't try to *edit* text on the list, that's why we are not engaging in a long discussion on the

Re: Back to the subject: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Mark Davis
You did point out an oversight; Asmus and I have been working on the issue. âMark - Original Message - From: "Peter Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 13:21 Subject: Back to the subject: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

Resolving Weak and Neutral Types [BIDI]

2004-07-19 Thread fantasai
I've been going through the Unicode BIDI Algorithm, and I'm having trouble understanding the justification for the way rules W7 and N1 are formulated. http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/#W7 says: # W7. Search backwards from each instance of a European number until the first # strong type (R, L, or

Back to the subject: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Peter Kirk
There has been extensive discussion in this thread on the specifics of accent and diacritic folding. But no one has answered my point, repeated below, that there seems to be a conflict between the folding algorithm (rather than the details of specific foldings) and the principle of canonical eq

RE: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Jony Rosenne
05C0 is a punctuation mark often used in unpointed religious books to indicate the end of the sentence, similar to a full stop. 05BE is the Hebrew hyphen. Neither should be folded in the general case. Jony > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Be

Re: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 02:38 AM 7/19/2004, Michael Everson wrote: At 22:25 -0400 2004-07-18, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: Though for all that, a lot of Yiddish I've seen is also written without vowel-points. So the patah-alef and qamats-alef vowels, and the yod-yod-patah vs. yod yod diphthongs, must be distinguished fro

Re: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Peter Kirk
On 19/07/2004 03:20, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: ... Jony's right: when it's down to brass tacks in Hebrew, it's consonants and whitespace (and punctuation, I guess). Agreed. But then there are a few characters which are not combining marks but which are really part of the accent system and so shoul

Re: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence

2004-07-19 Thread Michael Everson
At 22:25 -0400 2004-07-18, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: Though for all that, a lot of Yiddish I've seen is also written without vowel-points. So the patah-alef and qamats-alef vowels, and the yod-yod-patah vs. yod yod diphthongs, must be distinguished from context, like everything else. For much of