Re: [indic] Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Philippe Verdy said on Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 11:44:10PM +0100,: Sorry, for this update, my Samsung Galaxy SII (GT-I9100) runs Android 2.3.3 (Gengerbread) not 2.3.2 (Froyo). The kernel version was Correction - Froyo is 2.2.X; 2.3 and above are Gingerbread. apparently compiled by my mobile

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
jitendra said on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 12:46:13PM +0530,: The official page of OpenType specification doesnot indicate license but clearly states* All Rights reserved.* That is the copyright notice on contents of the webpage; not the specifications themselves. -- Mahesh T. Pai || Sent

Saying goodbye

2011-11-06 Thread CE Whitehead
From: Magda Danish (Unicode) v-magdad_at_microsoft.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:18:10 + Dear Unicode community, I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I am leaving my Administrative Director position at Unicode effective November 15, 2011. I have greatly enjoyed my

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
John Hudson said on Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 09:23:37PM -0400,: I don't know why OT Layout is not yet implemented in Android phones. I can think of a number of possible reasons, a combination of which might apply. One is that the developers simply have not done the work yet, but intend to.

Re: N4106

2011-11-06 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2011-11-05 04:23, skrev António Martins-Tuválkin tuval...@gmail.com: I'm going through N4106 ( http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4106.pdf ), ... I see the following characters being put forward for proposing to be encoded: 1ABB COMBINING PARENTHESES ABOVE 1ABC COMBINING DOUBLE

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
On 6 November 2011 19:34, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: After looking at the directory structure of my Android device under the stock Samsung ROM (both 2.2.2 Froyo and 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 Gingerbread), as well as CyanogenMod 7.1, (which is very stock AOSP), and the files in there, (but

Re: [indic] Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
Phillipe - some Android devices can render Indic scripts in the webkit browser which seems to have its own complex script rendering module built in. However outside the webkit browser complex scripts don't work. I've also heard that some Samsung phones have implemented system level complex script

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
On 6 November 2011 15:33, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: ... You can update the firmware yourselves - go the custom ROM way. (errr... I am afraid the carriers' representatives may do something to me for advising this). :-D You can continue to be with the existing carrier. Look

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
On 6 November 2011 07:23, John Hudson j...@tiro.ca wrote: I don't know why OT Layout is not yet implemented in Android phones. I can think of a number of possible reasons, a combination of which might apply. One is that the developers simply have not done the work yet, but intend to. Another

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com wrote: For under Rs 1,500/- new I can buy a small Nokia phone that I can use to send and display SMS text messages in Devanagri - this is transmitted and received in Unicode. My Nokia X1-01 has Hindi (Deva -- I use this

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com wrote: Even Symbian feature phones sold in India mange this through Qt My S60 series Nokia C5 with latest software updates is horrible at rendering Devanagari and has zero support for other Indic scripts. (Actually I tested

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
You are free to make use of the information in the spec - though you might infringe their copyright if you published the same information that is on the Microsoft and Adobe sites without their permission. There is no patentable information in the specification - the part that is proprietary are

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com wrote: We can probably all do things to get our own phones to work - but what is needed is that if *any* person buys *any* Android phone in India it just works with Indic scripts (even i the UI is not localized into all

Re: [indic] Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
On 4 November 2011 22:36, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: All OS distributors should work on creating a base set of fonts needed to support all languages and scripts of the world (not necessarily in many styles), with a repository of webfonts that an be synced and cached

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/11/7 Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com: I'm sure people like RedHat, Debian, and Sun/Oracle (who use it in OpenOffice) - have satisfied themselves that the open type rendering they use is unencumbered. Actually now, this (OpenOffice) should no longer be Sun/Oracle but Apache. Oracle

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com wrote: What is heavy is the way Opera Mini renders complex script web pages. They render the page on their server and then send it to your phone as graphics. Helps me out on my Nokia C5 which doesn't support Indic

Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android

2011-11-06 Thread Christopher Fynn
Hard to keep track of these things - but shouldn't affect the fact that one can safely implement OpenType rendering without a licence from Adobe or Microsoft. On 7 November 2011 13:21, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2011/11/7 Christopher Fynn chris.f...@gmail.com: I'm sure people