Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

Responding to Mark E. Shoulson: The big advantage of this new format is that the result is an unambiguous Unicode plain text file and could be placed within a file of plain text without having to make the whole document a markup file to some format. Plain text is the key advantage. The followi

"Unicode of Death"

Unicode is in the news today as some folks with waaay too much time on their hands have discovered a string consisting of Latin, Arabic, Devanagari, and CJK characters that crashes Apple devices when it appears as a pop-up message. Although most people seem to identify it correctly as a CoreText b

Arrow dingbats

Unicode has the arrow dingbats ⬅⬆⬇⬈⬉⬊⬋ in the range 2b05 with names like “LEFTWARDS BLACK ARROW" conspicuously missing is the right arrow The closest one can find is 27a1 “BLACK RIGHT ARROW" ➡ But everywhere I can see that has this arrow, it looks a lot different to the other arro

Re: Arrow dingbats

Chris wrote: > Unicode has the arrow dingbats ⬅⬆⬇⬈⬉⬊⬋ > > in the range 2b05 with names like “LEFTWARDS BLACK ARROW" > conspicuously missing is the right arrow > > The closest one can find is 27a1 “BLACK RIGHT ARROW" > ➡ > > But everywhere I can see that has this arrow, it looks a lot different >

Re: Arrow dingbats

Interesting! Out of curiosity: How come this was recognized in Unicode 7? Is that documented anywhere? 2015-05-28 17:03 GMT+02:00 Doug Ewell : > Chris wrote: > > > Unicode has the arrow dingbats ⬅⬆⬇⬈⬉⬊⬋ > > > > in the range 2b05 with names like “LEFTWARDS BLACK ARROW" > > conspicuously missing i

Re: "Unicode of Death"

Must be that same evil Unicode consortium that is destroying civilization by inventing emoji. The Guardian article has been edited since yesterday, when it did actually claim that Unicode invented all emoji. http://gu.com/p/4997q On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM Doug Ewell wrote: > Unicode is in

Re: "Unicode of Death"

> > Unicode is in the news today as some folks with waaay too much time on > their hands have discovered a string consisting of Latin, Arabic, > Devanagari, and CJK characters that crashes Apple devices when it > appears as a pop-up message. > We should be thankful to those folks "waaay too much t

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

There's no advantage because what you want to create is effectively another markup language with its own syntax (but requiring new obscure characters that most applications and users will not be able to interpret and render correctly in the way intended by you, and with still many things you have f

Re: Arrow dingbats

Manuel Strehl wrote: > Interesting! Out of curiosity: How come this was recognized in Unicode > 7? > Is that documented anywhere? NamesList.txt contains this entry for the left arrow: 2B05LEFTWARDS BLACK ARROW x (black rightwards arrow - 27A1) x (rightwards black arrow - 2B9

RE: "Unicode of Death"

Shervin Afshar wrote: > Any good technical write up about this? Haven't seen one yet. Just a lot of "OMG, look at this" so far. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 🇺🇸

Re: "Unicode of Death"

I'm no iOS dev, but it seems like CoreText is trying[1] to truncate text for SpringBoard (to shorten it with ellipses to fit the notification box) and it crashes and burns with a segmentation fault[2]. FWIW, Reddit abides[3][4] and reacts with "Unicode Suppressor"[5]...heh...as if! [1]: http://pas

Re: Arrow dingbats

On 28 May 2015 at 05:48, Chris wrote: > > Unicode has the arrow dingbats in the range 2b05 with names like “LEFTWARDS > BLACK ARROW" > conspicuously missing is the right arrow > > But everywhere I can see that has this arrow, it looks a lot different to > the other arrows with a narrower body and

"Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Is there a symbol that can represent the "Bunny hill" symbol used in North America and some other American territories with mountains, to designate the ski pistes open to novice skiers (those pistes are signaled with green signs in Europe). I'm looking for the symbol itself, not the color, or the

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

You could use U+1F407 RABBIT combined with U+20E4 COMBINING ENCLOSING UPWARD POINTING TRIANGLE, and pretend the triangle is a hill. 🐇 ⃤ If only we had a combining rabbit, we could add rabbits to U+1F3D4 SNOW CAPPED MOUNTAIN. Or anything else. 2015-05-28 16:46 GMT-03:00 Philippe Verdy : > Is t

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Well also these symbols, if you want (these are not really "diamonds"), but the wordpress page forgets the "bunny hill". It starts only with the green circle (in fact a black disc colored in green) which maps to blue pistes in Europe. 2015-05-28 21:59 GMT+02:00 Shervin Afshar : > Single and doubl

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Single and double diamond? https://bbliss176.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/symbols2_jpg.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Rc9ifOGLYg/TO5fF0XNTSI/IxE/RJPvVDD6gLM/s1600/caution-double-black-diamond.jpg http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/double-black-diamond-sign-legend-ski-slopes-map-40955860.jpg ↪

RE: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

So is double black diamond a separate symbol? Or just two of the black diamond? And Blue-Black? I’m drawing a blank on a specific bunny sign, in my experience those are usually just green. Aren’t there a lot of cartography symbols for various systems that aren’t present in Unicode? From: Uni

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Well...to pick the nit, these shapes are rhombi; known colloquially as "diamonds". So what's the symbol for "bunny hill" in Europe? ↪ Shervin On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Well also these symbols, if you want (these are not really "diamonds"), > but the wordpress pag

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Very poor suggestion I think. This is a single symbol by itself. 2015-05-28 22:02 GMT+02:00 Leonardo Boiko : > You could use U+1F407 RABBIT combined with U+20E4 COMBINING ENCLOSING > UPWARD POINTING TRIANGLE, and pretend the triangle is a hill. [image: 🐇] > ⃤ > > If only we had a combining rabbi

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

A single "black diamond" symbol would be sufficient I think (in fact a black square rotated 45°, not the same as the symbol of card decks which typically has borders rounded inward) The effective color does not really matter here, it can be generated by styling the text, something necessary anyway

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

I saif it: there's no symbol in Europe for pistes, just colors. The American "Bunny hill" maps to "green" pistes in Europe. (the European piste colors are used also for drawing their ways on maps, not just found in signages). Piste signs are typically all the same shape in the same station (most of

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Makes sense. But it doesn't seem like we need any new symbols. I think one of these should do for hard and extra-hard slopes: http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3Aname%3D%2FDIAMOND%2F%3A%5D&g= Also, I'm not at all against making use of the actual [image: 🐇]we have. I will n

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Serious question: Has someone discussed a generic combining mechanism? I mean, characters with an effect like "combine the last two". Say, '!' + '?' + COMBINING OVERLAY = '‽'. '!' + '!' + COMBINING SIDE BY SIDE = '‼', and so on. Similar in spirit to the Ideographic Description Characters, but me

Re: Arrow dingbats

Andrew West wrote: > I don't know why the character was added in 7.0, but it may have been > prompted by the same question as yours that was asked on this list in > 2013 . And the answer, from Michel Suignard in http://www.unicode.

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

http://www.signsofthemountains.com/what-do-the-symbols-on-ski-trail-signs-mean-d/ http://news.outdoortechnology.com/2015/02/04/ski-slope-rating-symbols-mean-really-mean/ Looks like a green circle is the symbol for a beginner slope. (The first link also shows that "piste" is the European word for w

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

What you'd like is in act similar to the zero-width joiner, between two combining sequences, to make them overlap. A sort of "negative-width" joiner that we could call "overlay joiner". So '!' + OVERLAY JOINER + '?' = '‽'. But in legacy charsets, this role was encoded as a BACKSPACE control (it w

Re: "Unicode of Death"

No doubt the evil Unicode Consortium is in league with the Trilateral Commission, the Elders of Zion,and the folks at NASA who faked the moon landing :) On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: > Unicode is in the news today as some folks with waaay too much time on > their hands h

RE: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

I’m wondering if it’s a regional thing, I haven’t seen it, at least in the mostly-west of North America. An east coast thing? From: Jim Melton [mailto:jim.mel...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:16 PM To: Shawn Steele Cc: verd...@wanadoo.fr; unicode Unicode Discussion Subject: Re: "Bun

Re: Arrow dingbats

So it sounds like 27a1 came first. Then 2b05 etc was added to complete the set with 27a1, except that it didn’t complete the set because nobody aligned the glyphs. Then they added U+2B95 in a 2nd attempt to complete the set? (Why not just fix the old arrow?) Except that nobody seems to have U

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Some documentations also suggest that the two diamonds are not stacked one above the other, but horizontally. It's a good point for using only one symbol, encoding it twice in plain-text if needed. 2015-05-28 22:15 GMT+02:00 Jim Melton : > I no longer ski, but I did so for many years, mostly (bu

RE: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

I’m used to them being next to each other. So the entire discussion seems to be about how to encode a concept vs how to get the shape you want with existing code points. If you just want the perfect shape, then maybe an svg is a better choice. If we’re talking about describing ski-run diffic

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

The "green" physical color does not need encoding. A black disc is enough, just like the black square and the black diamond/romb (the rest is styling). There's also the orange oval (horizontal) used for free-rides in America (in Europe, not symbol but the yellow color, used for some authorized "fr

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Since the double-diamond has map and map legend usage, it might be a good idea to have it encoded separately. I know that I'm stating the obvious here, but the important point is doing the research and showing that it has widespread usage. ↪ Shervin On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Shawn Steele

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

2015-05-28 22:59 GMT+02:00 Doug Ewell : > Looks like a green circle is the symbol for a beginner slope. (The first > link also shows that "piste" is the European word for what we call a > trail, run, or slope). There is no difference between a "bunny slope" > and a "beginner" or "novice" slope. >

Re: "Unicode of Death"

Not the first time unicode crashes things. There was the google chrome bug on osx that crashed the tab for any syriac text. A. On Friday, 29 May 2015, Bill Poser wrote: > No doubt the evil Unicode Consortium is in league with the Trilateral Commission, the Elders of Zion,and the folks at NASA wh

RE: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Typically we have “slow” zones with include both “novice” areas and congested areas. Additionally the “novice” part of a slope often has a rope fence delineating it from the rest of the slow. However on the maps, etc, its usually just off to the side of a green run and doesn’t have a special s

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Being used in maps and map legends is not a sufficient condition for encoding a symbol. If it were, all symbols used in physical maps would have been encoded, including each and every mineral and rare metal. Leo On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote: > Since the double-diamond h

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

The rope (or other barriers) are also present in Europe, but they are considered true "pistes" by themselves, even if they are relatively short. In frequent cases they are connected upward to a blue piste (not for novices) but there are "slow down" warnings displayed on them and the regulation requ

RE: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

What is the image?, curiosity killed the bunny ☺ I expect that it’s limited to a single ski area or maybe region. From: ver...@gmail.com [mailto:ver...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:01 PM To: Shawn Steele Cc: Doug Ewell; Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: "

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

Not just maps, but documentations. Ski resorts deliver many documentations, including those explaining security rules or promoting their equipement. And they are used on signs (the pistes themselves are not colored, the snow is still white !). In fact maps are the least common use of these symbols

RE: Arrow dingbats

So it sounds like 27a1 came first. Then 2b05 etc was added to complete the set with 27a1, except that it didn’t complete the set because nobody aligned the glyphs. Then they added U+2B95 in a 2nd attempt to complete the set? (Why not just fix the old arrow?) Except that nobody seems to have U+

Encoding map symbols (was: Re: "Bunny hill" symbol...)

Sufficiency of conditions for encoding is decided on a case by case basis by the UTC. According to the existing criteria for encoding symbols, being a symbol used in maps and map legends contributes to multiple of criteria items on that document and strengthens the case for acceptance. May be all

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

As was pointed out to me, essentially what you are saying is you reject my premise that one size does not fit all. You would prefer *everything* be in plain text, "so you wouldn't have to use other formats for it." You're essentially converting plain text into THE format for everything. But

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

"Today the world goes very well with HTML(5) which is now the bext markup language for document (including for inserting embedded images that don’t require any external request” If I had a large document that reused a particular character thousands of times, would this HTML markup require em

Re: Arrow dingbats

Michel Suignard (editor of ISO/IEC 10646) responded to these questions, but let me augment his response with some more detailed history here. (Pardon the length of the reply, but these things tend never to be as simple as people assume and hope they are.) On 5/28/2015 2:08 PM, Chris wrote: So i

Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

On 5/28/2015 2:15 PM, Shawn Steele wrote: I’m used to them being next to each other. So the entire discussion seems to be about how to encode a concept vs how to get the shape you want with existing code points. If you just want the perfect shape, then maybe an svg is a better choice. If