Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Everson
On 8 Apr 2017, at 22:23, Asmus Freytag wrote: > Time for Sarasvati to pull the plug on this thread? Useful input has been gratefully received. I thank those gave it. Michael Everson

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 4/8/2017 12:20 PM, Michael Everson wrote: I can quote your own message just posted 3 hours ago? YOU REALLY USED the term "game" and wanted developers to use fonts for them. Please learn to read. Time for Sarasvati to pull the pl

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Everson
> On 8 Apr 2017, at 15:14, Philippe Verdy wrote: > > 2017-04-08 15:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Everson : > >> We’re not proposing to “implement a game”. > > > > You were yourself speaking about applications, me too, not just a "game". > > No, I wasn’t. > > I can quote your own message just posted 3 ho

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 18:26:39 +0200 Kent Karlsson wrote: > All the characters in the "chess board lines" (apart from spaces, if > any), are of bidi category ON or NSM. So there is no character that > "sets" a bidi direction of the lines ("paragraphs"). So if the bidi > setting for display is set t

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Christoph Päper wrote: > Richard Wordingham : > > If the variation selectors are ignored, these simplify to: > > > > white square > > hatched square > > specific piece > > > > This preserves all the information; the pattern of squares is known > > in ad

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 20:32:44 +0100 Michael Everson wrote: > On 5 Apr 2017, at 20:13, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Chess characters aren’t emojis. That doesn't mean that solutions applicable to emojis might not be applicable elsewhere. > The logic of the use of VS in this proposal is no different f

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
I have made an OpenType font that implements Michael's proposed format and the extension of having variation selectors for the border units that Michael kindly added during the discussion. I have published the font and the font is available, free, from the following forum thread. http://forum.

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Philippe Verdy
2017-04-08 15:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Everson : > >> We’re not proposing to “implement a game”. > > > > You were yourself speaking about applications, me too, not just a "game". > > No, I wasn’t. I can quote your own message just posted 3 hours ago? YOU REALLY USED the term "game" and wanted develo

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Everson
On 8 Apr 2017, at 14:50, Philippe Verdy wrote: >>> May be they use fonts, >> >> There is no maybe about it. > > There REALLY IS a "maybe", because this is not required at all, and most > chess applications do not use any "font" (most of them display bitmap icons, > or custom 2D/3D graphics)

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 14:08:03 +0100 Michael Everson wrote: > On 5 Apr 2017, at 04:50, Richard Wordingham > wrote: > > >> Why would anyone make a font that supports the variants for > >> drawing chessboards (which require the encoded characters > >> 2654..265F) not put in glyphs for those? > >

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Philippe Verdy
2017-04-08 14:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Everson : > On 8 Apr 2017, at 13:01, Philippe Verdy wrote: > > > (They ARE using fonts, which shows they want to do this in text. They > are NOT using UCS characters, and they do NOT have a coherent model amongst > any of their hacks.) > > > > May be they use fo

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Everson
On 8 Apr 2017, at 13:01, Philippe Verdy wrote: > (They ARE using fonts, which shows they want to do this in text. They are NOT > using UCS characters, and they do NOT have a coherent model amongst any of > their hacks.) > > May be they use fonts, There is no maybe about it. > but is OpenTyp

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Philippe Verdy
2017-04-08 13:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Everson : > On 8 Apr 2017, at 02:02, Asmus Freytag wrote: > > >> This isn’t about game play. > > > > Why rule this out? Once you have a plain text solution, you'll enable > any plain text platform. > > > > Seems almost churlish to want to limit what you can do..

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Everson
On 8 Apr 2017, at 02:02, Asmus Freytag wrote: >> This isn’t about game play. > > Why rule this out? Once you have a plain text solution, you'll enable any > plain text platform. > > Seems almost churlish to want to limit what you can do...in what would be > after the fact. Developers can alr