Re: Is the binaryness/textness of a data format a property?

On 2020-03-21, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: >> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:13:40 -0600 >> From: Doug Ewell via Unicode >> >> Adam Borowski wrote: >> >> > Also, UTF-8 can carry more than Unicode -- for example, U+D800..U+DFFF >> > or U+11000..U+7FFF (or possibly even up to 2³⁶ or 2⁴²), whi

Re: On the lack of a SQUARE TB glyph

On 2019-09-27, David Starner via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 8:57 PM Fred Brennan via Unicode > wrote: [snip] >> There is no sequence of glyphs that could be logically mapped, unless you're >> telling me to request that the sequence T B be recommended for general >> interchange as SQ

acute-macron hybrid?

The celebrated Bosworth-Toller dictionary of Anglo-Saxon uses a curious diacritic to mark long vowels. It may be described as a long shallow acute with a small down-tick at the right. It contrasts with an acute (quite steep in this typeface) used to mark accented short vowels. Both can be seen in t

mildly OT from bidi - curious email

The current bidi discussion prompts me to post a curiosity I received today. I ordered something from a (UK) company, and the payment receipt came via Stripe. So far, so common. The curious thing is that the (entirely ASCII) company name was enclosed in a left-to-right direction, thus: Subject: Y

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

On 2019-01-27, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: > On 27 Jan 2019, at 05:21, Richard Wordingham > wrote: >> The closing single inverted comma has a different origin to the apostrophe. > No, it doesn’t, but you are welcome to try to prove your assertion. As far as I can tell from the easily ac

Re: Encoding italic

On 2019-01-21, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Consider superscript/subscript digits as a similar styling issue. The > Wikipedia page for Romanization of Chinese includes information about > the Wade-Giles system’s tone marks, which are superscripted digits. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-15, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > This is not for Mongolian and French wanted this space since long and it > has a use even in English since centuries for fine typography. > So no, NNBSP is definitely NOT "exotic whitespace". It's just that it was > forgotten in the early stages o

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-14, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Julian Bradfield wrote, > > I have never seen a Unicode math alphabet character in email > > outside this list. > > It's being done though.  Check this message from 2013 which includes the > following, copy/pasted f

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-13, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > यदि आप किसी रोटरी फोन से कॉल कर रहे हैं, तो कृपया स्टार (*) दबाएं। > What happens with Devanagari text?  Should the user community refrain > from interchanging data because 1980s era software isn't Unicode aware? Devanagari is an established writin

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-14, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > 𝐴𝑟𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑣𝑒𝑎𝑢 seems a bit 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑠é nowadays, as well. > > (Had to use mark-up for that “span” of a single letter in order to > indicate the proper letter form.  But the plain-text display looks crazy > with that HTML jive in it.) Indeed. But _Art nouve

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-13, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > As far as the information goes that was running until now on this List, > Mathematicians are both using TeX and liking the Unicode math alphabets. As Khaled has said, if they use them, it's because some software designer has decided to use them

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > This is a math formula: > a + b = b + a > ... where the estimable "mathematician" used Latin letters from ASCII as > though they were math alphanumerics variables. Yup, and it's immediately understandable by anyone reading on any computer that under

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:57:26 + (GMT) > Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > >> It's also fundamentally misguided. When I _italicize_ a word, I am >> writing a word composed of (plain old) letters, and then sty

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Sounds like you didn't try it.  VS characters are default ignorable. By software that has a full understanding of Unicode. There is a very large world out there of software that was written before Unicode was dreamed of, let alone popular. > aprico

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-11, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Exactly.  William Overington has already posted a proof-of-concept here: > https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7831 > ... using a P.U.A. character /in lieu/ of a combining formatting or VS > character.  The concept is straightforward an

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-11-02, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Alphabetic script users write things the way they are spelled and spell > things the way they are written.  The abbreviation in question as > written consists of three recognizable symbols.  An "M", a superscript > "r", and an equal sign (= two lin

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-31, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > Preformatted Unicode superscript small letters are meeting the French > superscript  > requirement, that is found in: > http://www.academie-francaise.fr/abreviations-des-adjectifs-numeraux > (in French). This brief article focuses on the spell

Re: second attempt (was: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

On 2018-10-31, Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?= via Unicode wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29 2018 at 12:20 -0700, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: [ as did I in private mail ] >> The abbreviation in the postcard, rendered in >> plain text, is "Mr". > > The relevant fragment of the postcard in a loose transl

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-30, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > Dr Bradfield just added on 30/10/2018 at 14:21 something that I didn’t > know when replying to Dr Ewell on 29/10/2018 at 21:27: >> The English abbreviation Mr was also frequently superscripted in the >> 15th-17th centuries, and that didn't mea

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-30, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > (Still responding to Ken Whistler's post) > Do you know the difference between H₂SO₄ and H2SO4?  One of them is a > chemical formula, the other one is a license plate number. T̲h̲a̲t̲ is > not a stylistic difference /in my book/.  (Emphasis add

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

On 2018-08-20, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > Moreover, they [William's pronoun symbols] are once again an attempt to > shoehorn Overington's pet > project, "language-independent sentences/words," which are still > generally deemed out of scope for Unicode. I find it increasingly hard t

Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process

On 2018-08-11, Charlotte Buff via Unicode wrote: > There is no semantic difference between a softball and a baseball. They are > literally the same object, just in slightly different sizes. There isn’t a > semantic difference between a squirrel and a chipmunk either (mainly > because they don’t re

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On 2018-05-28, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: >> On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: >>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >>> The flats and sharps of Arabic music are semantically the same as in >>> Western music, departing from Pythagorean tuning, then, but the micr

Re: 0027, 02BC, 2019, or a new character?

On 2018-01-26, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > Some systems (or admins) have been totally defeated by even the ASCII > version of ʹO’Sullivanʹ. That bodes ill for Kazakhs. The head (about to be ex-head) of my university is Sir Timothy O'Shea. On the student record system, it is impossibl

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

On 2017-04-22, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: >> From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode [...] >> I've encountered the problem that, while at least I can search for >> text smaller than a cluster, there's no indication in the window of >> where in the window the text is. > > I could imagine Emacs

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 2017-04-12, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > 2017-04-12 8:35 GMT+02:00 Martin J. Dürst : >> On Go boards, the grid cells are definitely rectangular, not square. The >> reason for this is that boards are usually looked at at an angle, and >> having the cells be higher than wide makes them app

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

While I hesitate to dive in to this argument, Martin makes one comment where I think a point of principle arises: On 2017-03-27, =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J._D=c3=bcrst?= wrote: [Michael wrote] >> You know, Martin, I *have* been doing this for the last two decades. I’m >> well aware of what a font is and

Re: Combining solidus above for transcription of poetic meter

On 2017-03-17, Philippe Verdy wrote: > 2017-03-17 18:27 GMT+01:00 Julian Bradfield : > >> If you are happy to use a typographically normal combining breve for >> the unstressed syllables, you should be happy to use a typographically >> normal acute accent for the stressed

Re: Combining solidus above for transcription of poetic meter

On 2017-03-17, Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com> wrote: > When transcribing poetic meter (scansion >), it is common to use two symbols > above the line (usually a breve [U+306 ̆] for stressed syllables and a > solidus > / slash [U+2F /] for unstressed syllables

Re: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

On 2016-11-08, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > I've heard that there are similar questions regarding tengwar and cirth, > but it is notable that UTC *did* see fit to consider this question for > them and determine that they were worthy of encoding (they are on the > roadmap), even though they have no

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > There are others, for example, in Dutch, the letter "v" and in "van" > is pronounced in dialects in continuous variations between [f] and > [v] depending on the timing of the fricative and the following > vowel. Continuous variation is a universal truth of langu

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson wrote: > On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:58, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> That's an interesting use of "proprietary" you have there, but I > You have to have special knowledge and special software to use it. That's not what "propri

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> What do you mean? The IPA in narrow transcription is intended to >> provide as detailed a description as a human mind can manage of >> sounds. It doesn't care whether you'

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson wrote: > I can’t use LaTeX notation. I don’t use that proprietary system. And don’t > you dare tell me that I am benighted, or using Word. Neither applies. That's an interesting use of "proprietary" you have there, but I suppose with your Alician interests, Humpty

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Not relevant! Here were'e not speaking about punctuation between words, but > inclusion within words in phonetic trancrtiptions where even word > separation is not always relevant and punctuation us almost absent. > There's no case in Spanish with "¡" in the

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > It is possible to write math just using ASCII and TeX, which was the original > idea of TeX. Is that want you want for linguistics? I don't see the need to do everything in plain text. Long ago, I spent a great deal of time getting my editor to do semi-wysiwyg

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson wrote: > On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:04, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> >> Linguists don't need internationalization. They use IPA or other notations. > > We need reliable plain-text notation systems. Otherwise distinctions we wish > to enc

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:42, Doug Ewell wrote: >> Hans Åberg wrote: >>> I think that IPA might be designed for broad phonetic transcriptions >>> [1], with a requirement to distinguish phonemes within each given >>> language. ... >> IPA can be used pretty much as b

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Philippe Verdy wrote: > 2016-10-10 18:04 GMT+02:00 Hans Åberg : >> > On 10 Oct 2016, at 15:24, Julian Bradfield >> wrote: >> > The alveolar click with percussive flap hasn't made it into the >> > standard IPA, but in ExtIPA it's [ǃ¡]

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 15:24, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> The alveolar click with percussive flap hasn't made it into the >> standard IPA, but in ExtIPA it's [ǃ¡] (preferably kerned together). > There is ‼ DOUBLE EXCLAMATION MARK U+2

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > I think that IPA might be designed for broad phonetic transcriptions > [1], with a requirement to distinguish phonemes within each given > language. For example, the English /l/ is thicker than the Swedish, > but in IPA, there is only one symbol, as there is no p

Re: Fwd: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-07, Oren Watson wrote: > I scarcely think that a use case was submitted for every one of the > blackboard bold etc letters in the mathematical set; merely the use of > blackboard bold for a general purpose of denoting sets such as the > naturals, reals, complex numbers etc, and the fact

Re: graphemes (was: "textels")

On 2016-09-19, Christoph Päper wrote: > If > > - encyclopedia > - encyclopædia > - encyclopaedia > > are all legal spellings of the same word in a writing system, a useful > linguistic definition of grapheme should ensure that all three variants have > the same number of graphemes. Such a bizar

non-breaking snakes

See http://xkcd.com/1676/ (making sure to look at the mouse-over text) -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Re: Joined "ti" coded as "Ɵ" in PDF

On 2016-03-19, Don Osborn wrote: > The details may or may not be relevant to the list topic, but as a user > of documents in PDF format, I fail to see the benefit of such obscure > mappings. And as a creator of PDFs ("save as") looking at others' PDFs Aren't you just being bitten by history? PDF

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?

On 2015-12-31, Andre Schappo wrote: > I have been hitting my head against the Academic Brick Wall for > years WRT getting IT i18n and Unicode on the curriculum and I am > losing. I did teach a final year elective module on IT i18n but a > few months ago my University dropped it. I am continually

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I was speaking of OUTPUT fields : you want to display passwords that are > stored somewhere (including in a text document stored in some safe place > such as an external flash drive). People can't remember many passwords. Again, output fields (such as in the

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > All browsers I use display spaces in input boxes, and put blobs for > hidden fields. Do you have evidence for broken input fields? > > > Network keys. That interface seems to consistently give people a > choice to reveal the key. ? That'

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I don't think it is a good idea for tectual passwords to make differences > based on the number of spaces. Being plain text they are likely to be > displayed in utser interfaces in a way that the user will not see. Without This is true of all passwords. Pass

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Finally note that passwords are not necessarily single identifiers > (whitespaces and word separators are accepted, but whitespaces should > require special handling with trimming (at both ends) and compression of > multiple occurences. Why would you trim or

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

On 2015-08-22, Nigel Small wrote: > 298D; 2990; o # LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN TOP CORNER > 298E; 298F; c # RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN BOTTOM CORNER > 298F; 298E; o # LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN BOTTOM CORNER > 2990; 298D; c # RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN TOP CORNER > with

Re: Windows keyboard restrictions

On 2015-08-06, Richard Wordingham wrote: > That depends on the availability of Tavultesoft Keyman. The UK has been > discussing whether a certain user-perceived character should be encoded > as a single character in a new script. Users ought to have this > character on their keyboards, but there

a mug

I feel the following mug says something about a popular topic of debate on this list... http://www.redbubble.com/people/insider/works/15315362-i-3-unicode (do look at the picture, don't just infer from the url) -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with r

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

On 2015-06-02, William_J_G Overington wrote: > take place if people on this mailing list feel that it is a good > solution to the problem raised in section 8 of the following document. > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/tr51-2.html That section does not raise a problem. It says what the solu

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

On 2015-03-29, Johnny Farraj wrote: > Michael, > Thanks for the swift response, and your interest. > Your collaboration is greatly appreciated. > Do you have any experience in submitting new Unicode character proposals? > And/or with creating the reference copy of a symbol in the format required?

Re: Compatibility decomposition for Hebrew and Greek final letters

On 2015-02-19, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Does anyone know why does the UCD define compatibility decompositions > for Arabic initial, medial, and final forms, but doesn't do the same > for Hebrew final letters, like U+05DD HEBREW LETTER FINAL MEM? Or for > that matter, for U+03C2 GREEK SMALL LETTER F

Why is BN weak?

I've been perusing the Bidi Algorithm, and I am wondering why the Boundary Neutral class is classified as a weak class rather than a neutral class. Can somebody explain? -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. __

Re: Colour font, color font, colourfont, colorfont

On 2014-03-14, Alex Plantema wrote: > Colouri(z|s)e isn't in my dictionary; colour is already a verb as well. Get a better dictionary. The word has been in the language more than four hundred years. It currently has a fairly common technical meaning of "adding colour to old monochrome photos or f

Armenian typography, letter t

This isn't really a Unicode question at all, but I know this list is probably the best place to find the answer;-) I'm putting a snippet of Armenian into a lecture slide, and the font easily available to me renders the letter տ ARMENIAN SMALL LETTER TIWN with a descending middle vertical, as indee

Re: IPA Greek

On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson wrote: > Further clarification on this point was published in > http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4296.pdf Thanks, that rather more than answers everything... >> Somehow I hadn't noticed that ʋ was there - and also bizarrely named, since >> as PSG observes,

IPA Greek (was Re: Posting Links to Ballots (was: RE: Why blackletter letters?))

On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson wrote: > On 12 Sep 2013, at 09:07, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek letters is >> proceeding by stealth - > > No, Julian. It's by design. Only theta remains. Hm, that's n

Re: Posting Links to Ballots (was: RE: Why blackletter letters?)

On 2013-09-11, Whistler, Ken wrote: [ lots ] Thank you for that explanation! > Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459) > http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13151-n4459.pdf Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek letters is proceeding

Re: Latvian and Marshallese Ad Hoc Report (cedilla and comma below)

On 2013-06-19, Richard Wordingham wrote: > The X11 restriction of one character per key stroke is not so easy to > get round. Some applications don't cooperate with work-arounds such as > ibus, and I find ibus unreliable enough that I want alternative methods > for when it fails. Can't good old-

Re: Rendering Raised FULL STOP between Digits

On 2013-03-10, Richard Wordingham wrote: > The question is what users will demand. Expectations have been low > enough that the loss of decimal points has been accepted. > Additionally, striving for an apparently hard to get raised decimal > point risks being forced to use an achievable decimal co

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by > legislation. No you weren't - you were making explicit claims that lowercase is harder to read than capitals. You said nothing about regulation. > And your existing empirical results are

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy wrote: > True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on > roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to > look at them for one more second, he does not look at the road. AS I SAID, empirical evaluation by those who had

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-16, Philippe Verdy wrote: > 2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller : >> Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-) > > This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some > conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads (cities are extremely > rarely written in

Re: Public Review Issue 232 Proposed Update UAX #9, Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm (Copy of email sent to the list; also posted by me to unicode feedback/public review issue-- but this has not yet po

On 2013-02-02, Stephan Stiller wrote: > And sometimes there is no absorption but simply a hard constraint > against semantic cooccurrence [sic about "oo", which is really the All of which may be ignored by people with mathematical or programming training! One of the advantages of the demise of

Re: Text in composed normalized form is king, right? Does anyone generate text in decomposed normalized form?

On 2013-02-02, Richard Wordingham wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:51:34 + (GMT) > Julian Bradfield wrote: >> ... > But if you use a member of the Keyman family of inputs methods (I've > been using Keyman for Linux (KMFL), you can set up a keyboard so you > ju

Re: Text in composed normalized form is king, right? Does anyone generate text in decomposed normalized form?

On 2013-02-01, Costello, Roger L. wrote: > So why would one ever generate text in decomposed form (NFD)? Text that I type is quite likely to be in decomposed (or at least not composed) form, because I find it a lot easier to have a few keystrokes for combining accents than to set up compose key s

Re: OT: Need howto info for typing accented chars on US keyboard in Linux

On 2013-01-13, Leslie Turriff wrote: > I've been searching the web for information about how to type accented > characters (French) using a US 104-key keyboard. I understand that a compose > key is involved, but everything I've found so far has involved adding > character<=>key mappings

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

On 2012-12-21, Clive Hohberger wrote: > Don't worry, I think you now have another 5351 years until the next Mayan > Doomsday... It's only 394 years till the next b'ak'tun. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Re: Caret

On 2012-11-12, QSJN 4 UKR wrote: > A caret is a flashing line, block, or other picture in the client area > of a window, it indicates the place (between two characters) at which > text will be inserted (or the edge of the text to be selected or > deleted). What does it mean? Between? There is no "

Re: texteditors that can process and save in different encodings

On 2012-10-04, Stephan Stiller wrote: > In your experience, what are the best (plaintext) texteditors or word > processors for Linux / Mac OS X / Windows that have the ability to *save* in > many different encodings? Emacs doesn't suit your needs? -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable

Re: A strange symbol in a Soviet calendar

On 2012-09-04, Leo Broukhis wrote: > My question is about the symbol before the name Уот. Has anyone seen > it before? Is it a NE arrow in a square or a spade? What does it mean? Might it simply be an arbitrary dingbat used to separate the list of associated saints from the list of revolutionary

Re: User-Hostile Text Editing (was: Unicode String Models)

On 2012-07-21, Richard Wordingham wrote: > Are there any widely available ways of enabling the deleting of the > first character in a default grapheme cluster? Having carefully added > two or more marks to a base character, I find it extremely irritating > to find I have entered the wrong base ch

Re: UTF-8 BOM (Re: Charset declaration in HTML)

On 2012-07-16, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I am also convinced that even Shell interpreters on Linux/Unix should > recognize and accept the leading BOM before the hash/bang starting > line (which is commonly used for filetype identification and runtime > behavior), without claiming that they don"t kno

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-13, Michael Everson wrote: > On 13 Jul 2012, at 11:07, Julian Bradfield wrote: > So... U+1D7CC MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL MU NU LIGATURE, since it's published > and (assuming the work is worthy; I cannot judge) might be cited by others. It *might*, by some hapless ma

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-12, Michael Everson wrote: > On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:20, Julian Bradfield wrote: > >> But wanting to do so would be crazy. My mu-nu ligature is, as far as I know, >> used only by me (and co-authors who let me do the typesetting), and so if >> Unicode has any s

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg wrote: >On 12 Jul 2012, at 16:06, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg wrote: >>> On 12 Jul 2012, at 12:33, Julian Bradfield wrote: >>>> In practice, no working mathematician is going to use the mathematical >>>>

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

Hans wrote: >On 12 Jul 2012, at 15:54, Julian Bradfield wrote: .. >> Not to mention the symbols I've used from time to time, because > >You tell me, because I posted a request for missing characters in different >forums. Perhaps you invented it after the standardization

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg wrote: > On 12 Jul 2012, at 12:33, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> In practice, no working mathematician is going to use the mathematical >> alphanumerical symbols to write maths in (La)TeX, because it's .. >> the Unicode mathematical symbol model d

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg wrote: >> There are many characters that TeX users use that are not in >> Unicode. > > All standard characters from TeX, LaTeX, and AMSTeX should be there, What's a standard character? There's no such thing. To take a random entry from the LaTeX Symbol Guide, where is th

Re: UTF-8 BOM (Re: Charset declaration in HTML)

On 2012-07-12, Steven Atreju wrote: > In the future simple things like '$ cat File1 File2 > File3' will > no longer work that easily. Currently this works *whatever* file, > and even program code that has been written more than thirty years > ago will work correctly. No! You have to modify cont

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-11, Eric Muller wrote: > On 7/11/2012 9:20 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: >> Unicode is about plain text. TeX is about fine typesetting. > > Too narrowly defined: Unicode. > > I think Unicode is not just for plain text, but rather concerns itself > with only

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

[ Please don't copy me on replies; the place for this is the mailing list, not my inbox, unless you want to go off-list. ] On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg wrote: >Unicode has added all the characters from TeX plus some, making it >possible to use characters in the input file where TeX is forced to >

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg wrote: > There are a number of other incompatibilities between original TeX and > Unicode: > > For example, ASCII letters are in TeX math mode typeset in italics, but > Unicode has a mathematical italics style, so ASCII letters should be typeset > upright in a strict U

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN & COLON

On 2012-07-10, Asmus Freytag wrote: > On 7/10/2012 3:50 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: >> Asmus Freytag, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0700: >>> The European use (this is not limited to Scandinavia) >> Thanks. It seems to me that that this tradition is not without a link >> to the (also) European trad

Re: Unicode Core

Asmus wrote: >The Unicode Standard easily uses hundreds of fonts for the code charts, >from a variety of sources. Despite what should "theoretically" work, not >all systems can actually print every code chart. Some users cannot print >certain of the existing PDFs on their systems, and POD provid

Re: Unicode Core

On 2012-06-21, Michael Everson wrote: > On 21 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Raymond Mercier wrote: >> While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a >> full publication of Unicode 6 or 6.1 from the corporation itself, with all >> the charts, as we have had with Unicode 1 to 5. S

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

On 2012-06-08, David Starner wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Denis Jacquerye wrote: >> Are you sure it's not the opposite? Dorsey had a typewriter that >> didn't have his turned letters, so he used crossed lines below to >> indicate what letters should be turned when printed. > > I don'

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

"Szelp, A. Sz." wrote: >Julian, if you look closely, it is not actually a turned s, but something >created with a turned s in mind. In the very sort of the alphabet, the >regular s has equal (or near-equal) top and bottom bowls. the "turned" one >has an emphasized upper bowl, which of course stems

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

>But if that linked image contains the full alphabet, then there is no >regular d, which would be confusable with the rotated p. So in fact, Yes, there is. Try reading the paragraph at the bottom of the page. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with regis

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

David Starner wrote: >LATIN SMALL LETTER ROTATED P was used; see >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BAE-Siouan_Alphabet.png . It >has caused some whimpering among those trying to transcribe the text. Urk! And there's rotated "s" as well. Alright, I take it back. There is no limit to the barm

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

On 2012-06-07, Denis Jacquerye wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Karl Pentzlin > I agree, we should avoid bad typography. But isn't a Latin chi (the > IPA Latin chi being proposed) with Greek weights instead of Latin > weights bad typography? Probably, that glyph still doesn't blend in >

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-29, Doug Ewell wrote: > Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key > handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead > keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version > of MSKLC on top of the existing architecture

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell wrote: ... > Again, just speaking about one platform (Windows) that seems to be in > somewhat common use, the problem is that the underlying architecture > doesn't support multiple dead keys on a single base character, nor does > it support a fifth, sixth, etc. shift s

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell wrote: > Karl Pentzlin replied to Jukka K. Korpela: >> JKK> I don’t think there will be any standard on [how to type INDIAN >> RUPEE SIGN on a U.S. English keyboard]. >> It is contained in the draft of ISO/IEC 9995-9 "Multilingual, >> Multiscript Keyboard Group Layouts"

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

On 2012-05-03, Michael Everson wrote: > On 3 May 2012, at 17:35, Asmus Freytag wrote: >> But it would not give an answer to the underlying question, on whether such >> upright rendering would be the default choice - whether in its own script >> context, or whether in the context of inserting mat

Re: Origins of ẘ

On 2012-05-16, Philippe Verdy wrote: > The ring below is used in IPA but only under consonnants to make them > voiceless. I don't know its usage under a vowel. Err, it makes them voiceless. E.g., in Japanese, "Satsuki" is [satsɯ̥ki]. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, register

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